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Title: Rupa vs. Arupa


Nick the Pilot - February 14, 2006 03:51 AM (GMT)
In my thread on the Stanzas of Dzyan, I posted Leadbeater's chart that showed a division line between the Rupa worls (or worlds of form) and the Arupa worlds (or formless worlds). Bascially, things in the Rupa worlds have form, such as an astral body, mental body, etc. In the Arupa worlds, objects and even entities are not limited by any form (which is a concept I still marvel at when I think about it). Leadbeater shows the delineation between the Rupa and Arupa worlds as being between the Lower and Higher Mental Planes.

I have a question: Does the literature in the Judge tradition show this same delineation?

Nicholas - February 14, 2006 05:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nick @ Feb 13 2006, 07:51 PM)
In my thread on the Stanzas of Dzyan, I posted Leadbeater's chart that showed a division line between the Rupa worls (or worlds of form) and the Arupa worlds (or formless worlds). Bascially, things in the Rupa worlds have form, such as an astral body, mental body, etc. In the Arupa worlds, objects and even entities are not limited by any form (which is a concept I still marvel at when I think about it). Leadbeater shows the delineation between the Rupa and Arupa worlds as being between the Lower and Higher Mental Planes.

I have a question: Does the literature in the Judge tradition show this same delineation?

Not that I am aware of Nick. Dip into the Mahatma Letters where you will see that the 3 worlds, Kama, Rupa & Arupa, are applied to the globes of this entire Earth chain, not to individual persons or their bodies.

For example Buddha descended to this part of the Kama Loka for the Tushita heaven. Maitreya Buddha will eventually do the same. Tushita is a heaven world, but is still part of the Kama world. There are beings with mental & astral bodies in the Rupa & Arupa realms. Arupa does not mean literally formless, just so fine a state of matter as to appear to us as formless. Sort of like water vapor being formless compared to water.

If one is using a shorthand way of writing, then the higher triad of Atma, Buddhi, Manas could be considered "arupa" relative to the "rupa" of the lower four, but I do not know what Leadbeater had in mind.

There is also the question of principles vs bodies; they are not the same. The Leadbeater lineage treats them as the same. The bodies are the effects of the rays or seeds which are the principles.

Nick the Pilot - February 14, 2006 11:34 PM (GMT)
Nicholas,

Thanks for the info. I can see that I need to do some reading and research. I wonder what I will come up with....




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