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Title: jyotish and esoteric astrology
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DavidC - June 9, 2008 11:46 AM (GMT)
One or more people have posted about their astrology. I am not sure I believe them unless they were talking about jyotish astrology, the sidereal kind, which I am sure HPB would have recommended. (If you have read The Secret Doctrine you should recall her often saying 'sidereal.')

Here are links for jyotish readings:
http://jyotisha.00it.com/bhava.htm (free ascendant and moon sign)
http://www.eastrovedica.com/html/vedic_numerology.htm (free ascendant, sun, and moon sign; some maybe calculated there; some you might have to wait a few months.)

BTW, in jyotish my moon:sun:ascendant is Virgo:Leo:Sagittarius.

There is also esoteric astrology, what do you think of that? Here is a place to calculate it:
http://www.btinternet.com/~seamaid/Esotericcontents.htm

I did mine once, but one day when I was bored decided to rewrite it. All I recall is I am supposedly a 1st ray monad with a subray, personality, and soul to body rays being all the other rays in some way (some repeated on subrays.) I think of 'the 7 rays' as being the 7 Shaktis as listed in The Secret Doctrine. Does that sound accurate?

mensagitat - July 21, 2008 07:50 PM (GMT)
I've been looking into it and realize that tropical and sidereal are used. Of course, I still lack a comprehensive understanding of its entirety. Our equatorial or celestial plane intersects the plane of the ecliptic at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes, and an imagined axis line is drawn between the two points. Approximately every 72 years, these two points move 1 degree. The plane of the ecliptic for galactic center has a sixty degree difference to the plane of the ecliptic for our solar system. This doesn't change in any meaningful way for us. However, some excitement for reasons I don't quite understand, occurs when our planets vernal axis is perpendicular to the galactic plane of ecliptic. The two form a cross.

Sidereal method has kept up with this change due to Earths nutation or wobble, but I also notice that Ophiucus Constellation is omitted from the Zodiac. I think my Sun sign would be Aquarius if Ophiucus was included, or, if I go by the sidereal. What if I did both? I'd be a Capricorn?

I like the Fagan/Bradley but also see a method called galactic.

DavidC - July 21, 2008 11:04 PM (GMT)
If Ophiuchus were used, it would probably just take what was the 1st part of Sagittarius; there are reasons for 12 signs. One could measure if they were an Ophiuchus like measuring specific subdivisions of any sign, but an Ophiuchus is still really a Sagittarius. An exception might be in the Jyotish moon sign, which can be further divided into 27 constellations.

Western astrology signs (sun, moon, and ascendant) are currently almost 1 complete sign behind sidereal (you could check the Wikipedia Zodiac article which lists dates for both systems and astronomy--sidereal is aligned to astronomy--or check easy to find jyotish sites.) If you are an Aquarius in Western astrology, the sun was probably in (i.e. between earth and the sign) Capricorn in sidereal astrology such as jyotish, but not necessarily: a few days still overlap and you might be an Aquarius in both. However, being a sign in Western or tropical astrology does not really mean anything; tropical does not really mean anything; at least it makes no sense to me. It is based on when the sun would have been in a sign at the time that astrology system was founded thousands of years ago. However, at that time the seasons corresponded differently with the signs, so now the elemental symbolism is different (almost 1 whole sign off, as I said!) Jyotish astrology also has different elemental symbolism, that I do not understand yet. Western symbolism could be used too, but in its own system either the sign & element are almost 1 off, or if the elements are realigned to reflect seasons' beginning, middle, end, then the sign will still be very wrong (1 off and with a different element.)

It sounds like you want to know what signs pertain to you directly rather than in 12 equal divisions. One could approximate it with a detailed star map; maybe a more astronomical astrologer has done it; I have also wanted to but do not know how. Thanks for reminding me... since the seasonal divisions only have to do with the tilt of earth for either hemisphere but not the stars directly.

That reminds me that solstices and equinoxes are not always at the beginning of cardinal divisions, though in Western astrology those and the other 8 (sidereal) divisions approximate seasonal divisions as classical elements correspond to cycles of night & day, death & life, etc.


mensagitat - July 22, 2008 02:35 AM (GMT)
The boundaries of the actual constellations as they cross the ecliptic would show you that Ophiucus is almost three times the size of Scorpio. Ophiucus is an actual constellation existing within our galaxy and crosses our ecliptic, irregardless of the fact that it is not included in any zodiac.

Zodiacal divinition, and determining what sign I am is entertainment. Psychological characteristics and attributes being specifically assigned to planets and constellations is also entertainment. Although you discard completely, the tropical zodiac and replace it with one of the ayanamsha methods, I really don't see perfection there either.

Effects that I've noticed are limited to Full and New Moons. I suspect there is a time-keeping aspect to monitoring the precession of the equinoxes compared with other periodic celestial movements. I would like to increase my knowledge in regard to the extent of events which could be known to occur prior to occurance.

I found it interesting to read about hyperdimensional energy and how the Sun has an invisible connection to each of its planets. Due to some rule concerning linear angular momentum, if the planet furthest away is somehow responsible for an occurence of some effect on earth, that due to its long orbit about the Sun, whatever this effect is, would have a long duration. aaah!

According to tropical I'm Pisces, but according to sidereal I'm Aquarius. But according to tropical with Ophiucus included, I'd be Aquarius. I suspect astrology is a bunch of whooey, as a Texan might say. I suppose a man has to connect with his Atman, even if it can only be done for the briefest length of time and know what he is and what he should do according to that.

I think Ophiucus is the only thing in between our solar system and galactic center, if I remember correctly. It is within some kind of rift where there does not seem to be much of anything else.




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