Hello,

I came across the above term in a book on Krishnamurti. Does anyone know what it means? I know 'elemental', but what is this 'physical elemental' that was left behind in Krishnamurti's body when he went off into the astral with Maitreya or the Masters?

Thank you.

Yesspiritual,

Physical-elemental is a part of elemental essence which interacts with physical matter on the Physical Plane.

Elemental Essence is an important fundamental Theosophical concept. At the beginning of a universe, spirit/matter appears. This spirit/matter is completely unevolved and immature. It then begins a journey downward through all the levels of the universe, in order to become fully actualized.

Spirit/matter begins a journey down through the Planes of Existence. At each Level, it shrouds itself with denser and denser material, in order to have experiences at that Level. Down and down it goes, shrouding itself into denser and denser forms.

At the Mental Plane, it is similar to a whispy cloud floating about in space. (Please remember these whispy clouds are on the Mental Plane, not the Physical Plane.) It has created the ability to exist on the Mental Plane, and interact with mental matter.

(As a point of clarification, both mental matter and mental-elemental exist on the Mental Plane. Mental matter is evolving upwards, however, mental-elemental is evolving downwards. The interaction of the two is sometimes troublesome, and is well-covered in Theosophical literature)

After an entire Round, it has created the ability to manifest on the Astral Plane, and interact with astral matter.

After an entire Round, it has created the ability to manifest on the Physical Plane, and interact with physical matter.

In the next Round, this Elemental Essence is then condensed into what can be called a "soul" — a mineral soul. Later it becomes a plant "soul", then an animal "soul", a human "soul", and beyond.

For more information on this fascinating process, please read Annie Besant's book:

A Study in Consciousness (online copy) pp. 17, 38-42, 67-69, 90-101, 145-146

A Study in Consciousness (hardcopy)

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The reference to Krishnamurti is about his physical body interacting with elementals that interact at the physical level.

Christian,

Good point. Also, I think I remember HPB describing Devas as Elementals. It makes me wonder if there are two kinds of Elementals — Elementals that are sentient beings, and Elementals that are the whispy yet-to-ensoul-matter clouds I described.

Hi everybody!

Here is a quote from The Secret Doctrine.

The worlds, to the profane," says a Commentary, "are built up of the known Elements. To the conception of an Arhat, these Elements are themselves collectively a divine Life; distributively, on the plane of manifestations, the numberless and countless crores of lives.* Fire alone is ONE, on the plane of the One Reality: on that of manifested, hence illusive, being, its particles are fiery lives which live and have their being at the expense of every other life that they consume. Therefore they are named the "DEVOURERS." . . . "Every visible thing in this Universe was built by such LIVES, front conscious and divine primordial man down to the unconscious agents that construct matter." . . . (SD vol 1 249-250)

--> I was drawn to the phrase "unconscious agents that construct matter". Perhaps this is what is referred to in the Krishnamurti quote.

Here is a long article by HPB on elementals:

http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/Elementalspv.htm

Hi all,

Thanks to Nick the Pilot who explains the evolvement of matter and spirit. I will ask more about that in a separate thread.

ChristianMyst is right, I was referring to what is written in Mary Lutyens's "J Krishnamurti--A Life" (The Years of Awakening, The Years of Fulfilment and The Open Door). She also described 'physical elemental' in "The Life and Death of Krishnamurti" pg 42. (Somehow I don't quite like her style of writing and I didn't finish this book. She seems TS-unfriendly and for a while I was confused until I read "The Inner Life of Krishnamurti" by Aryel Sanat.

From Aryel Sanat's book page 142 of the heading 'The Physical Elemental Speaks':

-- They (Jayakar and her sisters) were particularly puzzled by what must have seemed like a split in K's personality whenever he was "away" from the body and only the "physical elemental" spoke ......
-- Briefly, elemental is a term used in Theosophical books to name the fact that each "vehicle," or level of awareness, has "a mind of its own."
-- After a great deal of hesitation, we went to the doorway that led to the veranda and asked him whether he was unwell. Krishnaji was calling for somebody, his voice was fragile and child-like. He kept on saying, "Krishna has gone away, when will he be back?" ...... Then he seemed to grow aware of us and asked, "Are you Rosalind?" And then, "Oh, yes, yes, he knows about you, it is all right, please sit here, wait here." "Don't leave the body alone and don't be afraid." The voice started calling for "Krishna" again. His hand would cover his mouth and he would say, "He has said not to call him." Then in the voice of a child, "When will he be back? Will he come back soon?"
-- After about an hour his voice became joyful. "He is back, do you see them? They are here, spotless." ..... And then the voice changed, it was again the familiar voice of Krishnaji.... Next morning at breakfast he looked fresh and young. We questioned him as to what had happened. he laughted and said he did not know.

So there's my question--what is 'physical elemental'?

Thank you.
P.S. Moderator, am I infringing anything by reproducing the above text from the book by Aryel Sanat?

Yesspiritual,

I believe our physical body has its own consciousness. The way I see it, we "human souls" are only "borrowing" our physical bodies.

To me, blacking out from alcohol is the same thing as falling asleep — we leave the physical body behind and begin astral traveling. When we leave the physical body behind in sleep or a black-out, it seems the body still has its own consciousness, which can emerge while we are sleeping or blacked out.

There have been many stores of people having too much alcohol to drink, blacking out, doing things they do not remember, then waking up the next morning with no recollection of what happened. This happened to me when I was under anaesthesia, and has also happened to other people. (My friend once blacked out from alcohol, drove home in his blacked-out state, had an accident, and had no recollection of the accident or how he got home!)

All of this makes me think the term Elemental is used loosely, and refers to different things.

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Your reproducing of that text is just fine. As long as you tell us the name of the source book, that is good enough.

Christian,

I agree the coverage of Elementals and Devas is confusing. Hopefully, as time goes by, all of this will get cleared up. Clearing up this type of confusion is, after all, the very reason that Theosophy exists.

Feel free to describe your new-found Santa-Barbara Nature-Spirit.

Hello,

Nick the Pilot wrote:

Interesting, 2 days ago a man was charged in court here in a hit and run case of drink driving. The lawyer produced a letter from his psychiatrist claiming that he had 'alcoholic amnessia'. In a side box, it is said that a person suffering from this usually blackouts for a few hours; but there have been reports of alcoholic amnesia spanning several days!

Thank you.

Christian,

Wow, that is quite a story. All of us wish we had some type of telepathic ability. Fortunately, Theosophy teaches that it is only a matter of time before all of mankind becomes telepathic.

Also, Theosophy teaches that mankind used to be telepathic, and we lost that ability. Have you ever done research into conditions during the early races?

Christian,

You can go back even farther. The First Race were called the Chhayas, and the Second Race were called the Hyperboreans.

The Seven Races.

1. Chhayas
2. Hyperboreans
3. Lemurians
4. Atlanteans
5. Aryans
6. unnamed
7. unnamed

"I don't suppose the odds are good for meeting any consciousness that is pre-Atlantean?"

--> I will curious as to what you can pick up with your psychic abilities. Each race has a Manu or "patron saint" -- perhaps you might be able to pick up on such an entity?

Bowen quotes HPB that all the races are alive now.

So the odds may not be so long "... for meeting any consciousness that is pre-Atlantean?" - not to mention post-5th Root Race

Christian,

You asked,

"If the new race is the advancement of the last, is it not the consciousnesses of those in the last that have advanced into the new race?"

--> That is how I see it. Both the Chhayas and Hyperboreans were astral (not physical) races. According to the Stanzas, members of the first (astral) race instantaneously "evolved" into members of the second (astral) race. Characteristics that distinguish the second race from the first race were not given. (Perhaps Chhayas could only build higher astral bodies, while Hyperboreans could finally build lower astral bodies?) The entire story of the universe is the story of the descent of spirit into matter, and its eventuall return to a state of non-matter. I see the Chhayas and Hyperboreans as merely two steps of spirit on its downward descent into matter.

"I don't see how this would work out at Pralaya either."

--> At Pralaya, all individuals who have completed their journey through the seven races rest, and get ready to continue on to the next level in the next Manvantara. For the few who not complete the journey, they are held over, to complete their journey in the next Manvantara, right where they left off. (As a matter of fact, it has been postulated that some of our Mahatmas were hold-overs from the last Manvantara. This would explain why they are so advanced in this Manvantara.)

"There is no "cycling" up.

--> "Cycling up" definitely happens. Everything in the universe is in a state of evolving spiritually.

"As these other past races lived in a world that was physically different, how is it they would exist now?"

--> I am not sure where people get the idea the first two races are still here physically. The Stanzas make it clear the first two races (and part of the third race) only had astral bodies, and did not have physical bodies.

Not certain about my insight, but it will have to do for now.

The key may lie in the obscure topic of sishtas. Purucker quote follows; but as I understand it, during the 2nd & 3rd Rounds, as this human life wave circled through the seven globes, when it was on this 4th globe, it went through 7 stages of evolving consciousness each time (which is what races really are). When this life wave left the 4th globe some of its best, most advanced beings remained behind, as sishtas. So those sistha beings have within them all the stages of the 7 root races. They exist now, in higher realms. This may be what HPB meant that all the races are living now.


What Are the Sishtas?
Reference: Mahatma Letter XV, pp. 93-97

What are the sishtas? Sishta is a Sanskrit word meaning 'remainder' or 'remnant.' It is a technical term which means those most evolved beings of any life-wave -- or if you like of any human kingdom or the beast kingdom or the plant kingdom or the stone kingdom. It means the most evolved representatives when the monads of the greater part of the beings of that kingdom move on to the succeeding globe, to enter into that globe and undergo their experiences there.

Take the human kingdom. When our human kingdom or life-wave shall reach its Seventh Root-Race and end it, that is the last Root-Race that we shall have on this globe during this present round. In other words when the kingdom shall have reached the end of its evolution on this Globe D, then the majority of humans will take their way like birds winging their way through space and migrating as the ducks and geese and other birds do, over to the next globe of our chain. But those humans left behind on our earth, the remnants or sishtas of our human life-wave, will be the most evolved representatives of our human life-wave. There are two reasons for this. First: when the live-wave shall return after having made its round in the globes to this globe earth again, having gained all that intermediate vast fund of experience, it is obviously the most evolved representatives of our life-wave which are the only ones fit to receive the monads or souls of the incoming life-wave during the next round to follow us. Inferior bodies would be but inferior. It must be the finest of humans to be the Fifth Round humans on Globe D.

Now why is it that these humans to be the sishtas of the life-wave have become so much more evolved than the majority of humans? Because through individual effort and aspiration and self-control and desire to evolve and to be more and to become more, in other words through the dominance of the upsurging spirit of beauty and holiness, this urging fire within them has made them the avant coureurs, the forerunners of our life-wave. They have run ahead of the majority of the life-wave and have come back and are therefore now what we call Fifth Rounders. There is no attraction in them or for them to belong to the bulk of the human life-wave, to have to go through all the globes up the ascending arc and down the descending arc until they reach our globe again, because they have already done it as individuals. They are already Fifth Rounders. They have been through the Fifth Round, but not completely. They have been through the Fifth Round as far as our earth. Then they are caught here on our earth so to speak. They have preceded the human life-wave up to the end during the Fourth Round and down the globes during the beginning of the Fifth, until they have reached our earth where the human life-wave still is. They have far outrun the bulk of the life-wave; so when they reach our earth here, they stay until during the Fifth Round the majority of the human kingdom or life-wave, having gone through the globes, reaches our Globe D, the earth again. Here are the human forms still living on Globe D all these hundreds of millions of years, but as a Fifth Round race, as sishtas. They have been evolving, but evolving very slowly. They are here in a sense as a sacrifice, because instead of trying to keep ahead of the human life-wave and make their Sixth Round, at least a part of it, they resign that so that they can remain until the less progressed members of the human life-wave return to Globe D during the Fifth Round, and thus provide the bodies, and the teachers, and the guides. Do you remember what all the great religions of the human race have taught? That in the very infancy of our humankind, we were taught by great beings, initiates, adept-kings, who were human, who taught the early races and implanted into their minds the fundamental ideas of truth, of law, all the sciences? It is wonderful how uniform all these great ancient systems of thought are; and this is what is alluded to. When the monads of the life-wave -- going back now in this our Fourth Round -- reached this earth, they found their sishtas from the Third Round, human sishtas, the most evolved at the end of the Third Round; and it was these human sishtas who received the incoming monads, furnished them bodies to begin their evolution and so forth.

And one further thought. It is something I have explained before, but you seem to have forgotten it. In this chapter where the Master gives the seven principles of our globe earth, this has always been misread to mean the principles of our sevenfold globe, and this is wrong. The Master is giving only the seven principles of the sthula-sarira or physical body of our Globe D; just as I might give you what I would call, and properly, the seven principles of my physical body. The physical aspect has seven principles or sub-aspects, and that is what the Master was giving. Now mark you the contrast: Our Globe D, the globe, I am not speaking of a chain, our Globe D is septenary. It has its seven principles just as every entity in nature has, and every one of these seven principles, including the earth's physical body, is in its turn septenary. So that our Globe D has its atman, not merely a diffuse ether around the earth which is the atman of the sthula-sarira of our globe, but its own divine monad or atman, its buddhi, its manas, its kama, its linga-sarira (its astral light), its prana, which is what we call electricity, its sthula-sarira which is the gross physical body of the earth that we see around us. So the Master here when describing the seven principles of the earth was describing the seven phases or aspects, call them principles if you wish, of the globe's sthula-sarira.

Nicholas,

This brings up an interesting question: What is the relationship of a Race Manu to a Sishta? Are they the same being? (I doubt it — a Sishta would seem to be at a higher level than a Race Manu. Or would they...?)

What you mean by "circumvent the natural order of things" I am not sure.

If you are referring to a very high being staying "behind" as a sistha, while the rest of the life wave proceeds; that is not so much "willfulness" as freedom. Although to become free does mean applying our will for many lives.

In another sense the sisthas are not "behind" anyway, they are "ahead" and it is this speed of their evolution that gives them the freedom to stay or not.

Further; evolution contains the seed of self-sacrifice within the fruit of freedom anyway, so no rules are being broken here.

Christian,

I, too, am not sure what is causing your confusion. Yes, there are black magicians who bother the Brotherhood. But, as Nicholas said, they are most likely below the level of Adept — no black magician would be able to survive the thoroughness of the Initiation that leads to Adeptship.

Perhaps you are thinking Sishtas are black magicians, or do things for selfish reasons? This sounds impossible to me. Did Nicholas or I make a comment that says Sishtas circumvent the natural order of things?

The human constitution is composite. Right now we all know of examples of people who live mainly in their physical appetites; some live from their emotions; others do not descend from the intellect and a few are genuinely centered in the higher mind or soul. Yet all are "here" on planet earth.

Besides, at that point in the 7th RR on the 7th globe at the end of the 7th Round, the sisthas will be only relatively as advanced beyond the humans of that distant future as Gautama Buddha is beyond us now. And he was on the same earth as ordinary folk.

As for the "will" - the sorcerers use their personal will entirely in the worldly or personal realm of physical, emotional, vital & intellectual forces. So they do not override spiritual evolution so much as postpone & avoid the negative karmic effects they have sown. At some point their selfish dam breaks under the pressure of the ocean of bad karma behind it - and they are annhilated.

The "will" of the spiritual folk is not a forced imposition, but an unfolding of the selfless, kindly, wise and courageous qualities of our real nature that have been ignored for so long.

Christian,

You said,

"I just don't see how it would be possible for the constitution of our energy, our consciousness to "choose" to be in a realm that did coincide? If someone is so evolved as the Sishatas are presumed to be, wouldn't they be forced to reach their own level."

--> They do reach their own level, which is where they are now. Which consciousnesses do you see as being at the wrong level?

"I don't get how our "will" alone can let us exist when and were we decide."

--> It does not. Several factors decide which level we are at — will-power is only one of them. (For us, I think the biggest determinant of which level we are at is the amount of bad karma we carry.)

"They are still evolving humans and should sort of float to their own level."

--> They do.

"The reason I brought up "will," is that it would seem then that regardless our level of perfection we can impose our will over our circumstances, thus defying the natural order or process."

--> I disagree. For example, will-power alone would never get us up to the level of Adept — that can only be accomplished by means of Initiation.

"I thought Blavatsky referred to this as black magicians who managed a knowledge so superior that they could control their movement between realms of consciousness, i.e. Planes."

--> They may be able to move freely between the astral planes and mental planes, but I cannot imagine them getting any higher. Do you have a Blavatsky quote on this?

"Since races and rounds both represent a certain level of group attainment, I am presuming that we are all in the same boat, pretty much. Albiet, the Buddah was a limited exception; but then again, it's the Buddah."

--> We are all in the same boat, in that we (incarnating humans) are mainly concened with developing our fourth principle (Desire) and fifth principle (Intellect). We are nowhere near developing our sixth and seventh principles — that will happen many millions of years in the future.

--- Addendum ---

I have made a search of Blavatsky references to black magicians on the Internet. All of the quotes I can find refer to black magicians at the human level, or slightly above it. I see no Blavatsky references to black magicians at any high levels such as Manus or Sishtas.

Christian,

I see the Theosophical Mahatmas as being at a much higher level than individual Spirit Guides that some of us are able to perceive and receive advice from. Mahatmas may effect us, but indirectly -- they may inform an advanced student, who then informs a lower student, who then sends us the piece of information. I would say the Mahatmas are much too busy to contact us non-Initiates on a one-to-one level.

You said,

"The New Age concept tends to hold we have one Master Guide who is with us always, but many Teacher Guides who come and go as needed."

--> This ties in to the idea that all Guides are part of an organized Hierarchy. I see the Theosophical Mahatmas as being at the higher levels of the human part of the Hierarchy.

"Are you all calling these hold-overs (see above) the Sishtas, or are these humans who didn't make the grade just coincidentally going to end up Sishtas?"

--> The hold-overs are the failures -- the folks in Avichi. Sishtas are High Beings who volunteer to stay behind and help out. Humans who did not make the grade and were held back at the end of a Manvantara are failures -- they are said to be in a state called Avichi. A person in Avichi, and a Sishta are as different as night and day.

A person in Avichi does not coincidentally end up being a Sishta. It would take many lifetimes of hard work for a person in Avichi to get even close to becoming a Sishta.

Hi,

Reminds me of the term 'Guardian Angel' ;)

Thanks
P.S. Still can't get the quote to show the source, as some of you can.

Yesspiritual,

You said,

"Still can't get the quote to show the source, as some of you can. "

--> Which quote? Which source? Or, do you mean you cannot add links to your posts?

Yesspiritual,

Hit the "Quote" button in the upper right corner of the post you want to quote..

The "failures" are very advanced beings who just did not keep up with their class of Adepts. So there is no way they go the Avichi. The latter hell state is reserved for black magicians and evil folk who have no connection with their soul or higher nature.

These stay-over-failure Adepts do not stay in the body, but go into the pralaya rest state with the rest of us. So they are not the Sishtas.

By the by, Christian, that is Purucker writing on the Mahatma letters, not a quote from them.

There are differences between the Hinayana & Mahayana bodhisatta, but not the examples you gave. Both bodhisattvas and bodhisattas are physical (yet both can be non-physical too) persons; and both help mankind over many lifetimes to reach Buddha status.

The main difference is that Southern Buddhists say that buddhahood is so difficult to reach, and so few of us have the multi-lifetime stamina, compassion etc, that practically speaking, the best most aspirants can expect, is to become an Arhat.

Northern Buddhists do not deny the difficulty of the bodhisattva path to Buddhahood, but encourage the aspiration & building up the virtue & wisdom needed to someday tread it.

It is analogous to the women's movement. In the old days in was assumed that women just could not do men's work - so almost none did - a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now if women are told from childhood "you do anything a man can," many millions try and many succeed.

In short, Hinayana glass is half-empty; Mahayana glass is half-full.

As for "guardian angels" - Theosophy does teach about a guiding, protecting presence for individuals, but nothing so personal in nature as many present it to be.

Here is a glossary definition:

Guardian Angel

Christian term for the various classes of dhyanis which guard the worlds, races, nations, and mankind pertaining to them. The five middle human principles are the essence of the sixfold dhyani-chohans and of the pitris. Equivalents are daimones, genii, theoi, devas, gods, Paracelsus' flagae, etc. The personal quality that pervades so much of Christianity represents them as special to each individual, which is true enough in a sense; and they may be anything from a ray of divine light from the core of our being, to the kind of karmic heirloom designated as one's lucky star. As a matter of fact, there is for each human individual an ever watching, forever guiding and stimulating spiritual power within himself, his own spiritual ego which, when allowed by the brain-mind, infills the individual with its strength, wisdom, and peace.

Christian,

You asked,

"Are not Bodhisattvas also ones who stay behind to help mankind achieve the enlightenment of the Buddha in Mahayana Buddhism....?"

--> Yes, but they only do this until the end of the present minor-Manvantara.

"...but they have not yet entered Nirvana?"

--> No, they have not.

"But, in Theravada Buddhism they are a physical world incarnation of the Buddha, yes?"

--> No. A Bodhisattva is not a Buddha.

"So, these are not the same meanings of Bodhisattva, and one follower of Buddhism might consider them a carry-over, yet another follower could interpret it differently, yes?"

--> I would say no. I do not see a Bodhisattva as a "carry-over". I think you are using the word "carry-over" to refer to someone who does not advance to the next level at the end of a Manvantara. Deciding to be a Bodhisattva has nothing to do with the end of a Manvantara. It deals with the rest of one's incarnations until the end of this Manvantara, not what happens after the Manvantara ends.

"I am still in a quandry over this "choice" to stay."

--> (1) A person chooses to stay a "human" until the end of this Manvavtara = Bodhisattva.

(2) A "person" who chooses to stay with a planet while the rest of the "people" move on to the next planet at the beginning of a new minor Manvantara = Sishta.

"Stana three would seem to indicate other in Man, the Son of Man, a book I know you have recently read as have I."

--> Please give me the number of the Sloka.

"His references to Stanza three have lead me to believe this stayover was not a possibility."

--> I think we are talking about voluntary stay-overs when a planet's active-period ends. Humans, Bodhisattvas cannot make such a voluntary stay-over. Only a Sishta can.

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I think we are getting caught up in the definition of the word Bodhisattva. It has several definitions. (There are several levels of Beings in Buddhism that, unfortunately, are all referred to by the same word Bodhisattva.) The one I am using here is a human who chooses not to enter Nirvana, not become a Buddha, but remain on Earth to help people.

Christian,

This is the correct thread. References to black magicians were made in these posts:

Oct 1 2007, 03:28 PM

Oct 2 2007, 09:55 AM

Oct 3 2007, 02:09 PM

These times are based on my local time, which is Pacific Daylight Savings Time. Your results may differ....

Thank you ChristianMyst for the link. And for your advice on 'begin an exploration using the Astral body.' How do think we can do that?

I ask because a few days ago while on the Internet I came across an organization called AstralWeb teaching techniques on astral travelling. What is Theosophy's view on such venture?

Regards
P.S. Thanks also to the person who gave tips on using the Quote feature!

Yesspiritual,

You asked,

"What is Theosophy's view on [learning astral travel]?"

--> Different Theosophists have different views on this. Christian has encouraged you to pursue it. I prefer the teachings that say we should concentrate on improving ourselves, and stop desiring to see psychic phenomena for the time being. If you wish to do astral travel, I would at least suggest that you find a teacher to help guide you through it.

Christian,

I think I have found the Brothers of the Shadow thread you were looking for.

http://theosophy-forum.com/index.php?showt...=186&st=0&#last

As HPB says below; seeing astrally is not good for spiritual development, so travelling would be even worse for one. Philosophy plus virtue is what Theosophy recommends.

From Conversations on Occultism article:

I do not recall anything HPB wrote suggesting what you write now.

In 1891, shortly before her death, she wrote this regarding the USA and our special perils & advantages:

Your position as the fore-runners of the sixth sub-race of the fifth root-race has its own special perils as well as its special advantages. Psychism, with all its allurements and all its dangers, is necessarily developing among you, and you must be aware lest the Psychic outruns the Manasic and Spiritual development. Psychic capacities held perfectly under control, checked and directed by the Manasic principle, are valuable aids in development. But these capacities running riot, controlling instead of controlled, using instead of being used, lead the Student into the most dangerous delusions and the certainty of moral destruction. Watch therefore carefully this development, inevitable in your race and evolution-period so that it may finally work for good and not for evil; and receive, in advance, the sincere and potent blessings of those whose good-will will never fail you, if you do not fail yourselves.

So HPB was not, nor am I, only anti-psychic. It is just a very dangerous road when "the Psychic outruns the Manasic and Spiritual development." If psychics work for good, then no problem.

Nope, not me - the article is unknown to me also.

Hi all,

This thread started by asking what is 'Physical Elemental'?

After re-reading Aryel Sanat's book and reading Inner Life, I would like to make a guess: Physical Elemental is the elemental that resides in the physical body independent of the other bodies. In other words, there is this elemental remaining in the physical body when the 'other bodies' are not present; e.g. during sleep and in the case of K, when he was 'away'.

If so, it seems that the Physical Elemental has its own consciousness but is of a very low level. Does this sound reasonable?

If so, I am wondering if it is related to 'mental illness' or low IQ?

Thank you.

Yesspiritual,

You said,

"... I would like to make a guess: Physical Elemental is the elemental that resides in the physical body independent of the other bodies."

--> I think you are right. Here is another quote on Elementals.

The group of the hierarchy which is commissioned to ‘create’ men is a special group ... the last and seventh being the terrestrial Spirits (elementals) which gradually form, build, and condense his physical body.... (SD vol 1 p 233)

You asked,

"If so, it seems that the Physical Elemental has its own consciousness but is of a very low level. Does this sound reasonable?"

--> Yes, it sounds reasonable.

"...I am wondering if it is related to 'mental illness' or low IQ?"

--> I do not think so. I think mental illness and low IQ are more related to bad karma that a person is burning off.

Nick the Pilot,

Very interesting. A host of questions come to mind:

1. What is the relation of the Physical Elemental to the man's higher consciousness? Where does it go to when the man dies?
2. When one's higher consciousness leave the physical body temporarily eg during sleep or deep meditation, does the PE take up the role of protecting the physical body?

Thank you.

Yesspiritual,

You asked,

"What is the relation of the Physical Elemental to the man's higher consciousness?"

--> By higher consciousness, I think you mean Atma-Buddhi-Manas. Atman exists on the Atman Plane, Buddhi on the Buddhi Plane, and Manas on the Mental (Manas) Plane. A Physical Elemental exists on the Astral Plane. Therefore, they are all principles that exist on different Planes, all working together in harmony to cause a human being to exist.

"Where does it go to when the man dies?"

--> The Physical Elemental continues to exist on the Astral Plane. It stays there, ready to be called to help another human.

"When one's higher consciousness leave the physical body temporarily eg during sleep or deep meditation, does the PE take up the role of protecting the physical body?"

--> Yes, I believe it does.