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rman - July 13, 2007 07:58 PM (GMT)
Hi friends,

Jake made available also volumes of Boris de Zirkoff's magazine “Theosophia” and he is in favor to see them uploaded on my website Theosophy in Slovenia. As far as we know the material isn’t copyrighted but I would like to get some additional information on this issue, especially from Mrs. Dara Eklund.

Thanks in advance and warmest regards,
Anton

Dara - July 14, 2007 03:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (rman @ Jul 13 2007, 12:58 PM)
Hi friends,

Jake made available also volumes of Boris de Zirkoff's magazine “Theosophia” and he is in favor to see them uploaded on my website Theosophy in Slovenia. As far as we know the material isn’t copyrighted but I would like to get some additional information on this issue, especially from Mrs. Dara Eklund.

Thanks in advance and warmest regards,
Anton

Dear Anton:

As far as I remember Theosophia was not copyrighted, and you are free to translate or present as is the articles you wish, or entire issues. Our books are packed away as we are about to move to a new home.

This is a worthy project, which would have pleased B de Z.

Thanks for you inquiry.

Dara Eklund

rman - July 14, 2007 06:40 AM (GMT)
Dear Dara,

Thank you very much. Now I feel much more certain regarding the presentation.

All the best and warmest regards,
Anton

Nicholas - July 14, 2007 11:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rman @ Jul 13 2007, 10:40 PM)
Dear Dara,

Thank you very much. Now I feel much more certain regarding the presentation.

All the best and warmest regards,
Anton

Anton,

Ignore Christian. His assumption that the periodical was copyrighted is wrong.

Theosophia was a one man magazine. That man, BdZ, was well-know to Dara (and I) who wrote for and helped produced some issues of his magazine. I have also seen many issues and also knew Boris. He did not copyright his magazine. Even if he were alive and the issues were copyrighted, Boris would encourage reprinting, and not stop you.

If you want to be sure, look at the photocopies Jake is sending you. Even if our memory is wrong (will check when we are upacked) - it is a moot point. There is no organization or legal entity or relative of Boris to contest your use of those writings.

May your readers gain wisdom from the writings.

rman - July 15, 2007 03:55 AM (GMT)
Dear Nicholas and Christian,

Thank you very much for your observations. But, please, let’s try to find a solution which would be in concord with the Boris de Zirkoff’s wish to see his work promoted and the legal issues involved.

I do understand that the copyright “is an inherent RIGHT protected to the full extent of the law that any author of a unique work enjoys.”

In that sense also the material on the Theosophy in Slovenia website is copyrighted, but this doesn’t mean that the material can not be copied and republished. In the copyright statement of the website you can read that:

The aim of the intellectual rights policies of the THEOSOPHY IN SLOVENIA web site is twofold:
- to encourage the wide spread dissemination of Theosophy and
- to preserve the integrity of THEOSOPHY IN SLOVENIA work by eliminating confusion about its source and status.
Unless otherwise noted, all materials contained in this site are copyrighted and may not be used except as provided in this copyright notice.
The materials contained in the THEOSOPHY IN SLOVENIA website may be downloaded or copied provided that ALL copies retain the copyright and any other proprietary notices contained on the materials. No material may be modified, edited or taken out of context such that its use creates a false or misleading statement or impression as to the positions, statements or actions of the THEOSOPHY IN SLOVENIA web site.
THEOSOPHY IN SLOVENIA documents can be redistributed or republished on the condition that you provide information so that others can easily find the original document and that you provide notice of the THEOSOPHY IN SLOVENIA'S copyright.

Therefore, when the author declares that his texts or designs can be copied and republished, respecting certain conditions, then users are free to do so.

But I obviously can not obtain such permission from Boris and there is neither any heir holder of his copyright.

In case of Boris’ magazine there isn’t within the magazine’s issues such explicit declaration regarding the free use of published texts (thirty and more years ago no one could imagine that we will be able to reproduce texts on such a scale), but we have a word of his collaborators, Dara and Nicholas, that this would certainly be his desire.

A possible objection regarding the republication of the Theosophia’s issues could be raised by anyone of the contributors of the articles, but this I too find hardly probable. Nevertheless, if this would be eventually the case, one can not claim, as far as I know, the removal of her/his text when the issue of the magazine is republished in its entirety.

More over, as there is no loss and no gain of money involved what would be the basis for any possible lawsuit, and who would be the party interested to launch it? If there is no victim and no one who has any material gain in this situation, who would be interested to prevent the re-publication?

Warmest regards,
Anton

Nicholas - July 15, 2007 05:14 AM (GMT)
You have nothing to fear Anton.

The theosophical tradition that Boris lived was entirely focused on giving, gratis, the teachings. The authors were never compensated in any material form.

I can think of only 2 or 3 article authors still alive and am sure they would have no objections to any reprinting.

In the USA automatic copyright did not come to pass until 1989 or so. Boris and his magazine ended years before that.


rman - July 15, 2007 08:19 AM (GMT)
Christian,

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This part of your post is correct.


And the other parts? Can you please give some further observations? Your expertize would be very presious for all who try to make theosophical texts available to the public.

Thanks in advance,
Anton

rman - July 15, 2007 08:25 AM (GMT)
Nicholas,

Thank you very much for supporting the project.

Warmest regards,
Anton

Nicholas - July 15, 2007 06:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rman @ Jul 15 2007, 12:25 AM)
Nicholas,

Thank you very much for supporting the project.

Warmest regards,
Anton

Anton,

Here is a chart that makes clear that Theosophia, which never gave notice of copyright (I found an old issue) and was published in the USA from 1940s to 1980 or so, was and is, in the public domain.

http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/...blic_Domain.htm

rman - July 15, 2007 07:14 PM (GMT)
Nicholas,

Thank you very much for this informative link.

Warmest regards,
Anton

rman - July 16, 2007 07:26 AM (GMT)
Christian,

Thank you very much for your collaborative approach.

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The Theosophical Society was from day one established under the auspices of legal representation. It was conveyed it wished to operate that way. The now varied societies should, to this day, retain this same level of proper legal representation.


Yes, but I am afraid that this wasn’t the case. All great schisms in the Theosophical Society were, as I see it, executed by infringement of then valid Rules and Regulations of the Theosophical Society, by “following the person not the law”.
Now various societies are claiming to be “international” societies but, as far as I know, none of them is incorporated as such - or operates as such in various countries around the world - and till now, as far as I know, never such a step was even attempted. At best they operate as “federations” of various national societies, but this is not reflected in their actual Rules and Regulations.

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These legal issues, requests, queries, projects and questions should be placed in THEIR hands, where they can function as a responsible and fully representative Society(societies), establishing on an author-by-author/work-by-work/case-by-case basis, EXACTLY what you are entitled to use, when, where and how.


Yes, this would be the ideal situation. But there is an additional problem as the societies transferred their publishing activities to various publishing houses which are separate legal entities. More over, many theosophical authors published their works with other publishing houses.

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Wouldn’t this be making professional good use of the Societies for the betterment of ALL Theosophists, and remove everyone from the dangers of Infringement?


Certainly it would, but the problem is, as mentioned above, far more complex.

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Yourselves and your visitors would/could be protected, and you provide both a service to all future Theosophists interested in older works, while establishing/providing the means (a legal term) for the greatest distribution and dissemination of Theosophical knowledge.


Yes, this is certainly the aim to be followed.

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For example only, explain that, “Clear license to use of this/these older works has not been established. I and others are operating under a [presumption] of Public Domain useage, but such has not been determined. …”


Thank you very much for this advice.

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“… However, I and others have on this date of ______ petitioned the Theosophical Societies of the world, as noticed below, to take up a legal investigation of specifically and case-by-case what we are allowed free access to and use of, and by what conditions. Please email your support of this urgent matter that benefits all Theosphists to the addresses provided.”


Thanks again for this idea. Maybe we - the webmasters present at this forum - could discuss it, elaborate it further and then promote it.

Warmest regards,
Anton

rman - July 16, 2007 09:24 AM (GMT)
Christian,

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“Follow the Law, Not the Person.”
An irreverance for law might then be understood, but how should it be understood?


Let me, in short, present my view. I see laws, as well as rules and regulations, which regulate the relationships within the democratic societies, as distilled knowledge acquired through the history of human civilization about the relations and the proceedings which has to be respected to preserve and promote the individual and collective rights and liberty within the societies. The respect of this laws, rules and regulations is a first step which has to be followed in the formation of individual and collective moral consciousness. The knowledge of higher “natural” laws must then serve as the enforcement of the operation of “human” laws and as the corrective force (within the actual laws) when life (relations) has transcended the actual form (of laws).

Best regards,
Anton


Nicholas - July 17, 2007 03:11 PM (GMT)
Anton,

Being that Christian is both a psychic and a copyright lawyer (he would surely not be as foolish as myself & write on matters he is not expert in) I will leave you to his guidance.

If you wish for a legal opinion on copyright in Slavonia & the USA - this is not the place to get it.

rman - July 17, 2007 06:02 PM (GMT)
Nicholas,

Please, do understand that I was just seeking additional information and support for the re-publication of Boris’ magazine issues and that I really don’t want to enter in any dispute.

On the basis of the information and support received I have uploaded to the website the first Volume (6 issues) and the Tribute issue of “Theosophia” with the links from the “Theosophia” index page. Please see:

"Theosophia"

So, dear Dara and Nicholas thank you very much for your valuable information and suggestions. I would be very grateful if you could call my attention to any mistake in the texts, so that they could be as perfectly reproduced as possible.

Thank you very much, Christopher, for warnings and suggestions.

And equally thanks to Nick for running this forum and allowing in that way a fruitful exchange of information.

Warmest regards,
Anton


p.s. In these days I am seeking also additional copyright information for the re-publication of F. Pierce Spinks’ extraordinary book “Theosophists Reunite!” Here are some passages from this unique work:

AN ELOQUENT PLEA FOR A REUNITED SOCIETY

Undaunted by the failure of earlier attempts at reunification, the author determined to try again, and this book comes at a period almost ten years later when he lays before the Theosophical world the basic idea and challenges them with the following proposition: Return to the integrity of The Original Programme of the T.S. written by H.P. Blavatsky in 1886. Basing his premise upon the principle of logic which says that an idea is necessarily true, when, to assume the contrary, is absurd, the author - making use of similar reasoning - believes that the White Lodge now wants a return to unity, fellowship and inter-relatedness among all Theosophists of all affiliations, for to assert the contrary would be absurd and contrary to the structure of the Movement itself.

In the concluding chapter, Mr. Spinks makes an eloquent plea for a reunited society as it was in the days of its Founder, H.P. Blavatsky. Few that read the book will be left unimpressed by the intensity of the plea which he makes and the rationality of the arguments which he brings to bear on the problem.

The inevitable conclusion which the author reached was that a general rapprochement of all Theosophical groups is imperative if the purposes of the Movement are to be achieved.
“Theosophists: Reunite!” is a strong challenge and an eloquent plea which no Theosophist can ignore.

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One month before she died H.P. Blavatsky addressed these stirring words to the Boston Convention of The Theosophical Society in 1891:

“The critical nature of the stage on which we have entered is as well known to the forces that fight against us as to those that fight on our side. No opportunity will be lost of sowing dissension, of taking advantage of mistaken and false moves, of instilling doubt, of augmenting difficulties, of breathing suspicions, so that by any and every means the unity of the Society may be broken and the ranks of our Fellows thinned and thrown into disarray. Never has it been more necessary for the members of the T.S. to lay to heart the old parable of the bundle of sticks than it is at the present time: divided, they will inevitably be broken, one by one; united, there is no force on earth able to destroy our Brotherhood.”

Four years later, despite this eloquent plea, a schism rent the Theosophical Society from which it has never recovered. Shortly after this first rupture further cleavages took place, bringing at one time to twenty-two the number of separate societies deriving their inspiration and teaching from the original Society.

How would Madame Blavatsky view the existence of several Theosophical Societies were she with us today? Is there reason to believe that she would approve? Does the existence of these groups, each having similar objects, yet separated by psychological barriers and Iron Curtains, lessen the effectiveness of the appeal to Brotherhood which each makes?

In this same message, her last, to the American Convention, H.P.B., as she was affectionately called, spoke of “these diabolical attempts of our powerful enemies - the irreconcilable foes of the truths now being given out.” Would she, we may ask, attribute to this same ‘enemy’ the present disunity in the Theosophical Movement? What steps would she be likely to recommend to correct a condition which she begged us so pointedly to avoid?

Properly to understand the issues involved in the above questions it is important to be acquainted with the concepts underlying the formation of The Theosophical Society. These are clearly stated by H.P. Blavatsky in an article written by her in 1886 entitled “The Original Programme of the Theosophical Society”, portions of which we quote:

“In order to leave no room for equivocation, the members of the T.S. have to be reminded of the origin of the Society in 1875. Sent to the U.S. of America in 1873 for the purpose of organizing a group of workers on a psychic plane, two years later the writer received orders from her Master and Teacher to form the nucleus of a regular Society whose objects were broadly stated as follows:

1. Universal Brotherhood;
2. No distinction to be made by the member between races, creeds, or social positions, but every member had to be judged and dealt by on his personal merits;
3. To study the philosophies of the East - those of India chiefly, presenting them gradually to the public in various works that would interpret exoteric religions in the light of esoteric teachings;
4. To oppose materialism and theological dogmatism in every possible way, by demonstrating the existence of occult forces unknown to science, in nature, and the presence of psychic and spiritual powers in man; trying, at the same time to enlarge the views of the Spiritualists by showing them that there are other, many other agencies at work in the production of phenomena besides the ‘Spirits’ of the dead. Superstition had to be exposed and avoided; and occult forces, beneficent and maleficent - ever surrounding us and manifesting their presence in various ways - demonstrated to the best of our ability.”

The Objects, Rules and By-Laws of the Society were slightly modified over the years, but as early as 1878 a Circular was printed in which they are shown as being almost identical with those in effect today.

Because all Theosophists look to H.P. Blavatsky as the agent of the White Lodge in founding the T.S., we feel we may choose these words of hers to act as the axis around which we may safely launch our inquiry. But in considering this great problem it is essential that reason be brought to bear upon Theosophical affairs, recognizing that reason, as Descartes and Spinoza concluded, is properly used only as the mathematician uses it, that is, without bias, and directed by soundness of argument. So from this base, which should appeal to all because of the universal acceptance of H.P.B. as an agent of the Masters, we shall reach out to examine the events in Theosophical history which seem pointedly to run contrary to the wishes of the Founders, as expressed above by their spokesman. Trying to avoid prejudgment and emotion, we hope to encourage objective thinking, recalling Spinoza’s words, “Reason is the light of the mind, and without her all things are dreams and phantoms.”

The Founders of the Theosophical Society evidently fully realized the difficulties which would be encountered in inviting under one organizational roof representatives of many and diverse creeds. Consider the following taken from ‘The Original Programme’:

(1) The Founders had to exercise all their influence to oppose selfishness of any kind, by insisting upon sincere, fraternal feelings among the Members - at least outwardly; working for it to bring about a spirit of unity and harmony, the great diversity of creeds notwithstanding; expecting and demanding from the Fellows, a great mutual toleration and charity for each other’s shortcomings; mutual help in the research of truths in every domain - moral or physical- and even, in daily life.”

Belief likewise in the infallibility of H.P.B.’s teachers was to be avoided, and criticism of a fellow member was strictly forbidden on pain of expulsion from the Society. Witness the following:

(2) They had to oppose in the strongest manner possible anything approaching dogmatic faith and fanaticism - belief in the infallibility of the Masters, or even in the very existence of our invisible Teachers, having to be checked from the first. On the other hand, as a great respect for the private views and creeds of every member was demanded, any Fellow criticizing the faith or belief of another Fellow, hurting his feelings, or showing a reprehensible self-assertion, unasked (mutual friendly advices were a duty unless declined) - such a member incurred expulsion.”

It is urged that readers keep these paragraphs strongly in mind during our discussion, because we believe the violation of these basic ideals to be a principal cause of the problems in the Theosophical Movement.

In the archives of The Theosophical Society at Adyar is preserved a letter from one of the Masters who helped to found the T.S. “Theosophy,” he writes,

“has to find objective expression in an all-embracing code of life thoroughly impregnated with its spirit - the spirit of mutual tolerance, charity and love ... As said before - no Theosophist should blame a brother whether within or outside of the association, throw slur upon his actions or denounce him lest he should himself lose the right of being considered a Theosophist.”

Now let us ask ourselves whether or not the Theosophists have carried out this Program:

1. Do they blame each other?
2. Do they denounce one another for actions with which they disagree?
3. Do Theosophists today condemn other Theosophists for their shortcomings?
4. Do they respect the private views and creeds of other members?
5. If not, what has brought about the change in direction from the Original Program?

To these questions we shall seek an honest answer. Recognizing that the matters we shall consider have to do with personal beliefs, and that the issues involved are somewhat emotionally charged, we shall aim to preserve that attitude advocated by the seventeenth century philosopher Descartes, expressed in his “Meditation I”, of suspending judgment “and with firm purpose avoid giving credence to any false thing.” We should be less than honest, however, if we failed to show that when reaching the area of inter-Theosophical relations Theosophists are inclined partially to abandon the great concepts which underlie the present Theosophical Movement, and to act in a manner contrary to the purposes which they profess.

Nicholas - July 17, 2007 07:55 PM (GMT)
Since Spinks' book has been reprinted by Kessinger, which only reprints public domain items, you are probably safe to reprint it.

But only a copyright lawyer would know for sure.

Dara & I are very pleased that those old articles will have a new life at your site Anton. Blessings be upon you.

Also I notice that you have 3 Point Loma theosophists under the ULT.

Plummer Gordon L.
Wadia Bahman Pestonji
Barker A. Trevor
Edge Henry Travers

Only Wadia belonged to the ULT.

rman - July 18, 2007 05:31 PM (GMT)
Nicholas,

Thank you for your kind words and corrections.

Warmest regards to both of you,
Anton

Nicholas - July 30, 2007 08:57 PM (GMT)
Anton,

I was trying to point out some dropped words in a Theosophia article, but your "contact" buttons at your site do not work for me - I see nothing. So if you could either fix them or give me your email, using Private Message, that would be good.

Nicholas - September 11, 2007 12:25 AM (GMT)
These old Theosophias are a treasure of good articles. Here is one from #3, Sept. 1944:
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THE BROTHERHOOD OF MAN
Horace Willard

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The author of this article is a young Negro, born and educated in Los Angeles, Calif. He has worked for ten years in the field of radio. Personally acquainted with racial prejudice and discrimination, this festering disease of the soul affecting selfish and parochial minds, he has acquired a spiritual strength which results from opposition courageously met, and has devoted his life to the promotion of interracial understanding. He donates freely the inspiration of his pen to local papers promoting goodwill among various races. The Editor is proud to count Horace Willard among his friends. Ed. Theos.


Upon the request of a very good friend, I sit and write about the "Brotherhood of man." To write convincingly about a subject so much discussed and so seldom practiced, is not easy. So many talk and so few do that the subject in itself is abstract and ambiguous as well as lacking in substance.

Practically the only true followers of brotherhood are children; the younger they are the more fond of their playmates and the less conscious of race. Maybe because when we're young we are recently from God and therefore closer to God. In my youth I had the happy experience of enjoying a healthy full childhood, of what so many adults of today term "true racial understanding." But we didn't call it that then. I just palled around with Pete, because I liked Pete and he liked me. Then there was Joe, a Mexican boy whose immigrant parents moved in our neighborhood soon after I could walk. We both liked Joe and evidently Joe liked us. The three of us, Pete of French-Irish extraction, Joe the son of Mexican immigrants and I a Negro, were the best of friends. A strange threesome we made in our later years. Joe with his oily black hair and round chubby face, Pete of the sandy curls and I with kinky hair and dark brown skin.

Like most children we had two paramount pleasures in life, food and play, and together we enjoyed them to the fullest. Over at Pete's house we had delicious apple pie with pieces of warmed cheese on top and ice-cold milk to wash it down. As Pete's mother put it: "The milk was to give us strong teeth to chew another piece of pie the next day." And Joe's mother was always good for a handout of highly-spiced large red beans wrapped in a blanket-like Mexican roll called "tortillas." Garnished with chopped meats, this was exquisite. My mom was famous for her hot biscuits, golden brown fried chicken and candied sweet potatoes, and Negro mothers get a parental joy from feeding and caring for any child that comes along. From house to house we panhandled until our little tummies ached; in the streets, vacant lots or flower gardens, we played until six little legs wouldn't carry three little bodies any further and there we went to sleep.

Three wards of God free from man's greatest curse, race prejudice. But that was to come later, for we were destined in the ways of man, and man's education deals too much with prejudice both in the school and at home. Or else how would a child learn? When we entered senior high school our friendship was slowly breaking off. Nothing apparent, we were just drifting apart. This disturbed me to such a point that I asked my father why Pete, Joe and myself didn't get on as we used to. My dad said, "You're arriving at your adolescent period, son. And American adolescence is when one becomes sex-conscious and race-conscious!" And so we grew wiser academically. We learned that Lincoln freed the slaves and the slaves were black like me; we also learned that most of the peoples of Mexico [7] were poor and indolent and very few had an education, there's where Joe's parents come from. I knew how he felt when these subjects were under discussion; I felt the same way when the teacher talked about Negro slaves. They didn't tell us about Benito Juarez, the great liberator of Mexico, or Booker T. Washington, the Negro educator.

At home our education of hatred and prejudice was also carried on. Unconsciously, but nevertheless carried on! I was told that my grandparents were sold as slaves, beaten and killed by white slave-owners. So naturally I developed a dislike for whites. Joe was told the reason his people were so poor; white oil men and land-grabbers had robbed and exploited the Mexicans of everything they had. This was not wholly true, but Joe believed it. Pete, on the other hand, was taught that his was the more popular color and his grandparents were rulers, the darker races inferior. These tales were fed into our young ears innocently enough, in bedtime stories, nursery rhymes and the many other ways home education is administered to children, but they were just as effective as if they were ground out by a modern propaganda machine. Thus we were educated at home and at school! On graduation day we stood in cap and gown and received our diplomas, and so well were we educated that we scarcely spoke to each other.

Today the world is at war. A war that was caused by the same prejudice and hatred that was forced upon me and my two friends. We have hopes of making this a better world to live in when the peace is signed. "We will make a peace that will last forever," I hear postwar planners say. "At the next conference table there will be a program of peace so tremendous, invoked upon the world, that it will he impossible to enter into another war for a thousand years!"

This may be true, but I don't believe it. The next world peace may he drawn up at a conference table, but it will never be carried out until we have a meeting of the minds of the masses. People must again become like little children, get close to God, forget creed, color and religion, and love our fellow man because in our fellow man is he who represents us all. Then and only then will we enjoy true Brotherhood of Man.

Nicholas - November 3, 2007 08:00 PM (GMT)
Anton has completed the entire series of Theosophia! Congratulations to him; I am sure these articles will be of help to many.

http://teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_index.htm




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