There was a real Adept "Jesus", but the biblical version was not based on the real man.

Here are some references to the Blavatsky Collected Writings, which are online.
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Jehoshua ben Pandira (or Panthera)
(120?-71? B.C.):

born in Lydda, IX 204 (226)

an initiate, VIII 182; IX 19 & fn.-20 fn.

Jesus was actually, IV 361-62; VIII 204, 362 (380); IX 19-20 fn., 204 (226)

Massey on, VIII 381-82 fn.

Masters affirm, was real Jesus, VIII 362 fn. (380 fn.)

See also Jesus

The ( ) around page numbers are to the English translation of a French article, which has no ( ).

Hi Nicholas

I have researched this myself about who Jesus possibly might be. An Adept of the mysteries yes. The Jewish Talmud speaks of him going to Eygpt to learn magic. There are other authors as well so you can choose what to believe over others and make up your own mind on the Subject of Jesus Man or Myth.

There is a series of books by an Austrailian author by the name of Tony Bushby who indicates there were Twins born illegimately to a grand daughter of King Herod who was already betrothed to one of King Herods sons. Royalty generally intermarry. Since being Jewish if word got out about this she would of probably been stoned to death. The Jewish Talmud also doesn't speak kindly of the twins mother but calls her a whore.

But according to Tony Bushby a Roman soldier named Tiberius adopted son of a very powerfull Caesar Augustus possibly raped this woman that was betrothed to Joseph of Arimathea a son of King Herod. Tiberius Mother Livia divorced his Father and married Augustus which latter adopted Tiberius as his son who would latter become an heir to the throne and have the royal right to be a "Son of God" or son of Caesar who who was thought to be God. And out of this illegitimate birth of Twins between two royal houses started the begining for a new religion to be born (But many years until Constantine officially established the new religion to begin by royal decree at the council of nicea and create the New Roman Testament.)

Well that is according to Tony Bushby the mother who was raped by Tiberius had twins one Judas Khrestus a rebel and one Rabbi Jesus a gentle man who was deeply interested in spiritual things and also known as Yeshua Ben Panthera.
http://www.joshuabooks.com/home.htm
I have read all his books except his most recent publication "The Twin Deception". Should have a lot more explosive info in this book to supplement his other publications on the subject.

Here is some art of Michelangelo of twins and a mother. Maybe a secret concealed by Michelangelo?
http://www.famous-paintings.org/michelange...chelangelo.shtm
http://www.famous-paintings.org/michelange...ndo-Taddei.shtm

Although Tony Bushby doesn't expect people to believe him nor can he be 100 percent right based on the material he is working with of very ancient manuscripts and very old Bibles one dating to 300ad. Most of this knowledge has been destroyed and probably the rest is in the Vatican Vault. His research certainly makes you think about this subject. His research is loaded with stuff I have never heard of before but it is a new revelation on the subject to me.

Doug

Hi everybody!

It seems that several stories have been blended into today's Biblical Jesus. I thought I would include some quotes that I referred to in another thread.

"Basilides denied the reality of the body of Jesus, and calling it an 'illusion' held that it was Simon of Cyrene who suffered on the Cross in his stead. All such teachings are echoes of the Eastern Doctrines." (SD vol 5 p 351)

"...Marcion ... denied the historical facts (as now found in the Gospels) of Christ's birth, incarnation, and passion, and also the resurrection of the body of Jesus, maintaining that such statments were simply the carnalization of metaphysical allegories and symbolism, and a degradation of the true spiritual idea." (Theosophical Glossary, p. 207)

Here is a part of the article in French that I believe Nicolas is referring to.

"For me, Jesus Christ, that is to say the Man-God of the Christians, a copy of the Avatars of all countries, from the Hindu Krishna as well as the Egyptian Horus, was never a historical person. He is a deified personification of the glorified type of the great Hierophants of the Temples, and his story told in the New Testament is an allegory, assuredly containing profound esoteric truths, but an allegory.... The legend of which I speak is founded ... on the existence of a personage called Jehoshua (from which 'Jesus' has been made) born at Lud or Lydda about 120 years before the modern era.... In spite of all the desperate researches made during long centuries, if we place on one side the witness of the 'Evangelists.' i.e., unknown men who identity has never been established, and that of the Father of the Church, interested fantastics, neither history nor profane tradition, nor official documents, nor the contemporaries of the soi-distant drama, are able to provide one single serious proof of the historical and real existence, not only of the Man-God but even of him called Jesus of Nazareth, from the year 1 to the year 33. All is darkness and silence." (quoted in Geoffrey Barborka's book, The Divine Plan)

Hey Nick

Everything you said is covered in Tony's Bushby's books plus there are a lot more details to fill in the missing pices based on his research. This guy is well connected to people and Secret Societies. He is mainly interested in Metaphysical reality.

This authors interest at the time was Near Death Experiances of people and as a business published them as newsletter type of subscription for people to read. But what got him started on researching about whether the churches teachings (christianity in general whether it is the Catholics or Protestants since it did not matter) was suspect was when he encountered people who went to their priest to ask about their near death experiances they had but instead the priest had no clue or gave an insulting remark that made a lot of people mad and some almost commit suicide. This made Tony currious about the teachings of the church and why they were silent or ignorant on the subject of the afterlife in regard to peoples incredible Near Death Experiances of momentarily being dead. And to his suprise he discovered that the Church has lied to people and over time commited pious fraud.

Basically the violently rebellious Judas Khrestus was the Heir to the Throne and was going to take it by force from his Father Emperor Tiberius. His attempt to overthrow Tiberius failed and his sentencing was Death by Crucifixtion. But because such insurrection was treason punishishble by crucifixtion (Even though the cross was used for initiatory purposes in the mystery schools but was latter perverted and used as capital punishment for insurection against the Emperor or Caesar of Rome). Being Royalty Judas Khrestus could escape death on the cross but the price is he would forfeit his Royal birthright. It was by trickery that they substituted Simeon of Cyrene to take his place by clever deception. They even had to pull Simeon quickly off the cross before the Romans discovered they were tricked and give them enough time to escape from Rome and go to other lands for refuge in case the deception is discovered. Although his brother Rabbi Jesus was also an heir to the throne which at the time he did not care about being Caesar although it was his royal birth right. But latter in life he became King and married a Celtic Princess Mary Magdalene. Tony does indicate the names Rabbi Jesus took on in his book by his kingly titles over time. Latter on in Life he became a Druid due to his connection to the Essenes. He did live in Lud (Modern day London).

He also had two other wives at one time in his life one being Princes Cypros and the other Queen Cartismandus. He lived to somthing like 40 but was stoned to death for stealing the Torah to reveal a secret to the profane. Which was the price he paid in attempting to reveal divine secrets to the profane. The big mystery is how he was able to steal the Torah since it was heavily guarded at the time.

Well all this according to Tony's Bushby's Research. In the Book "The Bible Fraud " he has a complete family tree of all supposed people in the bible and throughout history.

Also the King James Bible final author was Sir Francis Bacon who also wrote Shakespeare. King James who like to wallow in filth was no literary genius so he commisioned Sir Francis Bacon to combine all the many different Authors of the New King James text together into a shakespearean like play. Sir Francis Bacon is an Adept and founder of many of the Mystery Schools in his time. And in the orginal King James Bible published he placed ciphers or markers of where hidden knowledge begins and where it ends for his initiates to decode. Every Book published under his direction carried his favorite secret cipher stylised light and dark capital A's, side by side (A.A). The A.A cipher represented Athena the Goddess of Wisdom which was very important to Bacon.

Athena was the Goddess of Wisdom and usually depicted in art wearing a helmet and holding a spear in her right hand in readiness to strike at a serpent near her feet. She was known as the 'Spear-Shaker' among the ancient Greeks because when the morning rays of the sun glinted on the spear, the common people were in the habit of say similingly, "Athena is shaking her spear again", hence her name, "Spearshaker. Turn it around and you have ShakeSpear.


Doug

Doug,

You said,

"This made Tony currious about the teachings of the church and why they were silent or ignorant on the subject of the afterlife in regard to peoples incredible Near Death Experiances of momentarily being dead. And to his suprise he discovered that the Church has lied to people and over time commited pious fraud."

--> This is a scary thought, but it is completely believeable.

"Basically the violently rebellious Judas Khrestus was the Heir to the Throne and was going to take it by force from his Father Emperor Tiberius. His attempt to overthrow Tiberius failed and his sentencing was Death by Crucifixtion."

--> So a story of royal execution became, over the centuries, the story of Jesus of Nazareth? That is spooky.

"In the Book "The Bible Fraud " he has a complete family tree of all supposed people in the bible and throughout history."

--> For those people interested in the history of Christianity and the early church, this must be fascinating reading. (I, for one, have no interest in Christianity, the history of the early church, etc.)

"Also the King James Bible final author was Sir Francis Bacon who also wrote Shakespeare. King James who like[d] to wallow in filth was no literary genius so he commisioned Sir Francis Bacon to combine all the many different Authors of the New King James text together into a shakespearean like play."

--> That is fascinating.

Today I received Tony Bushby's new book "The Twin Deception".

In the first part of the book is info on who Tony Bushby is and his die hard attitude which was interesting to me. Many times during his editing of his books people who were proof readers and editors that strongly believed in christianity tried many times to sabotage his books. I guess he had to let them go since they were working against him.

Tony Bushby was born in Australia in 1948 and is the author of five books, all of which are regarded as classics of their genre.

In 1985 he began research into the origins of Christianity and has since revealed incontrovertible evidence of cover-ups, fraudulent activities, and forged Gospels within the established christian church. To date Tony has written four outstanding books on this subject that has received acclaim the world over. He is also held in high regard for his writtings on the subject of Near-Death-Experiances, and has personally interviewed over 600 people worldwide who have experienced the phenomena.

Tony continues to research in the Middle East and Europe, seeking further evidence of Truth and gathering information that challenges the basis of our core beliefs. He has access to rare ancient writings in the Alexandrian Library in Egypt, and adopts the attitude that 'regardless of how many people may be disturbed, there is no religion superior to Truth.

Well I guess we will see another book since he is trying to discover the Truth and currently researching something.

I guess I will start reading the Twin Deception for more revealations on the deception of the Church.

As it stands he says basically the church whether it be Catholic or Protestant has no Authority what so ever to stand on. He has proven that in regard to christianity there is no such thing as the resurrection or virgin birth (I know their is a real meaning to the immaculate conception in theosophy) since it is not in the Codex Sinaiticus Bible of 300 ad the oldest bible to date. Tony has sufficiently proven at least to me of forgery and many changes done to the differnent bibles to suit the times.

Doug

Doug,

You said,

"He has proven that in regard to christianity there is no such thing as the resurrection or virgin birth (I know their is a real meaning to the immaculate conception in theosophy) since it is not in the Codex Sinaiticus Bible of 300 ad the oldest bible to date."

--> I thought I would share the real meaning of the virgin birth, as taught by Theosophy. The Blessed Virgin Mary is actually an anthropomorphization of a cosmic principle called Mulaprakriti, or that from which physical matter is made. Mulaprakriti is also called Mother, and is one of the three Logoi of the Triple Logos (which is the basis of the Christian teaching called the Trinity.) Here is more information on the Mother/Mulaprakriti principle:

http://users.ez2.net/nick29/theosophy/stanzas.htm#mother

The first two aspects of the universe, then, are Spirit and Matter (Father and Mother). Spirit shines on Mulaprakriti (Father shines on Mother). The actual nature of Mulaprakriti is not given, but it is described as the Waters (the same Waters of Genesis 1:1). Using the Waters symbology, there are billions of tiny waves upon the Waters. Spirit or Light reflects off these waves within the Waters, and billions of tiny reflections are created in the Water. These tiny reflections (usually referred to as Sparks) are us. Also, all of these Sparks are collectively referred to as the Son, the Third Logos. (Theosophy sees the Son or the Universe as the Third, not Second Logos.)

The virgin aspect of the Mother Logos is correct. The Son is produced from the Mother (as reflections or Sparks) and the Mother is itself unaffected by the whole process.

It is this process that has been anthropomorphized into the Blessed Virgin giving birth to Jesus, yet still remaining a virgin. Such an anthropomorphization has been severely denounced by Blavatsky.