Hi

What is the model of universe as Theosophy see it?

It would be nice to start with what we see (material)- from our Earth perspective to our Solar system and so on.
Maybe some pictures..

Regards, M

Mar,

Wow, that is a big topic! It is so huge, I am not sure where to start.

Are you interested in where physical atoms and molecules come from? Or more how solar systems, galaxies, and universes evolve?

You said,

"...from our Earth perspective to our Solar system..."

--> Are you more interested in the physical relationship of the Earth to the Sun, or humanity's relationship to that which designed and caused the Sun to appear?

Mar,

Here is a graph of the Theosophical representation of the different hierarchies in the universe. Please look at the third post in this thread.

http://theosophy-forum.com/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=372

Mar,

The model of the Universe, as Theosophy sees it, is the Monad.

Christian

(People may have been unaware of galaxies in the 1800's, when the book containing this information was written.)
To me, this shows that people who wrote theosophy books didn't have the "complete" picture. And if they didn't have the complete picture in one thing, then probably didn't have the complete picture in other things.

What i am interested in is- for a start, just a physical, material universe- what is it like.

In nature it's interesting (if we don't complicate even these questions) how electrons revolve around core, and how earth and other planets revolve around sun, so maybe this is a patern.

But (in that link) there are 7 galaxyes mentioned- hm, scientist said there are much more!

Yes, that's what i'm interested in- model of material universe.

any pictures, links?

Regards, m

galileowaswrong.com/
just questioning everything...:rolleyes:

___________________________________


ttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-538297875584368796&q=Mysteries+of+the+Sacred+Universe&hl=en
Mysteries of the Sacred Universe
The Cosmology of the Bhagavata Purana. Explains the ancient Indian cosmology and relates its relevance to the modern cosmology. Srimad Bhagavatam.

Any comments? similarities?

Mar,

You said,

"What i am interested in is- for a start, just a physical, material universe- what is it like."

--> In the physical world, planets etc. are grouped in groups. For example, our planets are grouped together to make a solar system. We can only imagine that our solar system is part of a group of solar systems, and that our galaxy is a part of a group of galaxies.

"But (in that link) there are 7 galaxyes mentioned- hm, scientist said there are much more!"

--> Yes, there are many more. I believe science says there are billions of galaxies. The idea is that galaxies are in groups of seven, these groups are also in groups of seven, these bigger groups are also in even larger groups of seven, etc,, etc. These groups within groups go all the way up to one huge group of all galaxies in the universe.

"In nature it's interesting (if we don't complicate even these questions) how electrons revolve around core, and how earth and other planets revolve around sun, so maybe this is a patern."

--> Yes, there is a pattern. For example, Theosophy teaches us all sub-atomic particles are rotating at a very fast rate.

"Yes, that's what i'm interested in - model of material universe."

--> Just think of groups of seven, within groups of seven, within groups of seven, etc.

You have asked for pictures or charts. Unfortunately, Theosophy does not give charts of the groups of galaxies in the universe (which is what I think you are looking for).

Have I answered your question?

- Any examples from nature, where 7 can be seen?-why 7?
Are these groups in some kind of a special shape, form?

- Is there anything known about central sun?

Mar,

You asked,

"Any examples from nature, where 7 can be seen?"

--> I cannot think of any, off the top of my head.

"why 7?"

--> I do not know. For whatever reason the Divine Plan likes to group things in sevens. If you are familiar with the Bible, you will find several examples of things grouped in sevens in the Bible. For example,

“From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God....” (Revelations 4:5)

"Are these groups in some kind of a special shape, form?"

--> No, just groups of seven.

"Is there anything known about central sun?"

--> Theosophy tells us very little about the Central Sun. Here are some quotes:

“The soul animating this purely spiritual universe is the central sun, the highest deity itself.” (SD vol I p. 340)

“It was the highest Deity itself which, according to Plato, built the Universe in the geometrical form of the Dodecahedron; and its ‘first begotten’ was born of Chaos and Primordial Light (the Central Sun). This ‘First-Born,’ however, was only the aggregate of the Host of the ‘Builders,’ the first constructive Forces, who are called in ancient Cosmogonies the Ancients (born of the Deep, or Chaos) and the ‘First Point.’ He is the Tetragrammaton, so-called, at the head of the Seven lower Sephiroth.” (SD vol I p. 344)

“... the Universe evolving from the central Sun, the POINT, the ever-concealed germ.” (SD vol I p. 379)

“... it is the sun, and all the suns that are from [Ether], which emanate at the Manvantaric dawn from the Central Sun.” (SD vol I p. 527)

“Outside the boundaries of the solar system, it is other Suns, and especially the mysterious ‘central Sun’ (the ‘Abode of the invisible deity’ as some reverend gentlemen have called it) that determines the motion of bodies and their direction.” (SD vol I p. 673)

[In the Stanzas of Dzyan,] “ ‘His breath gave life to the seven,’ refers as much to the sun, who gives life to the Planets, as to the ‘High One,’ the Spiritual Sun, who gives life to the whole Kosmos.” (SD vol II p. 23)

“The reader has to bear in mind that the Stanzas given treat only of the Cosmogony of our own planetary System and what is visible around it, after a Solar Pralaya. The secret teachings with regard to the Evolution of the Universal Kosmos cannot be given, since they could not be understood by the highest minds in this age, and there seem to be very few Initiates, even among the greatest, who are allowed to speculate upon this subject. Moreover the Teachers say openly that not even the highest Dhyani-Chohans have ever penetrated the mysteries beyond those boundaries that separate the milliards of Solar systems from the ‘Central Sun,’ as it is called.” (SD vol I p. 13)

Mar,

Here are some visual presentations in PowerPoint format. Take a look at these, and tell me what you think.

Anand Gholap's Theosophical PowerPoint Presentations

At the moment, i just wanna add a reply to these:

..so it goes: planets, solar systems, qalaxyes, groups of galaxyes etc.

-groups of galaxyes: maybe
-qalaxyes: maybe
-solar systems: maybe
-planets: certainly not 7

Mar,

You have noticed that our solar system has a number of planets other than seven, while Theosophy seems to say it only has seven. This is because Theosophy teaches the idea of Chains. All of our planets are in Chains of seven planets each. Unfortunately, most of these planets are at levels higher than our physical plane, and are therefore invisible to us. Some are on the astral plane, some are on the Mental Plane, etc. Let's take a look at a graphic from The Secret Doctrine vol 1 p 172.



Below is another graphic (more complicated) from vol 1 p 200.



Both of these graphics are of the Earth Chain. In the Earth Chain, only Earth is on the Physical Plane. The other six planets of our Chain are invisible to us.

The other physical planets of our solar system belong to other Chains. There are probably seven Chains in our solar system, which means there should be a total of 49 planets in our solar system. Only a few of these are on the Physical Plane, and these make up the other physical planets in our solar system. (Our Moon, by the way, is a physical planet from another Chain, as the graphic on p. 172 shows.)