To all readers


My views are:

The following was written out of compassion to all interested readers to if possible be of service and help.
The thoughtful and meditating reader might understand more about the present situation on theosophy by reading the below.


H. P. Blavatsky wrote august 1889:
"There is no longer a 'Parent Society;' it is abolished and replaced
by an aggregate body of Theosophical Societies, all
autonomous...such is the real state of things."
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/PuzzleFromAdyar.htm

What made her write the above?
Maybe the below words could be helpful in understanding some of it all.


A PUZZLE FROM ADYAR by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889
"WHEN the cat is abroad the mice dance in the house it seems. Since Colonel Olcott sailed for Japan, the Theosophist has never ceased to surprise its European readers, and especially the Fellows of our Society, with most unexpected capers.
It is as if the Sphinx had emigrated from the Nile and was determined to continue offering her puzzles broadcast to
the Œdipuses of the Society."



Taking the above comments into consideration, and while We also know, that C. W. Leadbeater was left in charge in India - august 1888, when Olcott went abroad to Japan, Blavatsky's words are quite interesting. And that Annie Besant joined a short while after visiting H. P. Blavatsky in may 10th 1889.

OLcott wrote in his Old Dairy Leaves:
"Nor was Madame Blavatsky any more than myself the "Founder" of the Society: neither of us was anything more than a willing agent. . . . it was I who proposed the formation of the Society, who had all the early burden of guiding its infant steps, and who, after the collapse of the original legislative scheme of Rules and Bye-Laws, had . . . all the executive responsibility. . . . Yet she was the intermediary between them [the adepts] and me, thus earning my lifelong gratitude, as she long ago did by brotherly love and loyalty. . . . Like the active volcano, she throws out a good deal
of lava, scori\v and sulphur, but like it she often uncovers gold and silver veins of arcane truth for those who are not too blind to see it. -- The Theosophist, September 1889"

Historical Perspective - By Kirby Van Mater
"During these years of Mme. Blavatsky's retirement from direct participation in theosophical affairs (1885-87), the Society had drifted away from the influence of the Adepts. This is apparent from a conversation she had with one of her teachers where he remarked that Colonel Olcott in spite of his great labors had during this time allowed the T.S. to liberate itself from their influence, and that it would not long survive his death (cf. Letters from the Masters of the Wisdom, First Series, Letter 47, 5th edition). Though the date of this discussion is not given, it can be placed approximately in the closing months of 1887 or early 1888. From this time onward till her death in 1891, H. P. Blavatsky played an increasingly significant role in the Society's administration so as to reestablish and maintain the work along the
original lines. This caused some unhappiness and misunderstanding between herself and Colonel Olcott. Eventually, in 1890, much distressed over circumstances, he stated that he would resign as president at the next convention in December.
However, at the final moment he announced a change of mind and retained his position in the Society, though his views and lack of confidence in H.P.B.'s methods of work remained unchanged."
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-amh.htm


Blavatsky wrote in 1886 or so:
The following written by Blavatsky is also true today:
". . . . . It would be well perhaps, if the Jesuits contented themselves with making dupes of Freemasons and opposing
the Theosophists and Occultists using for it the Protestant clergy as "cat's paw." But their plottings have a much
wider scope, and embrace a minuteness of detail and care of which the world in general has no idea. Everything is done
by them to bring the mass of mankind again to the state of passive ignorance which they well know is the only one which
can help them to the consummation of their purpose of Universal Despotism."
www.theosophy.org/Blavatsky/Letters of H. P. Blavatsky to A. P. Sinnett/Letters of HPB.htm


Blavatsky also wrote about the JESUITS in june 1888 :
"They may try, and perhaps succeed, in crushing individual members. They would vainly try their hand, strong and powerful as it may be, in an attack on the Society. Theosophists are as well protected, and better, than themselves. To the man of modern science, to all those who know nothing, and who do not believe what they hear of WHITE and BLACK magic, the above will read like nonsense. Let it be, though Europe will very soon experience, and is already so experiencing, the heavy hand of the latter. "
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/Th...OrJesuitism.htm


So the question is where are we today?

M. Sufilight

Sufilight,

You raise two issues.

(1) Today's various autonomous Theosophical groups

(2) The Jesuit influence on present-day Theosophy.

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I think the existence of today's various autonomous Theosophical groups is a good thing. Such autonomy is good, in that each group is allowed to pursue its own method of study. It also allows for a choice, for if a person does not like a particular group, there are other groups to choose from.

I have also come to the conclusion that splintering of religious, etc., groups is just a natural part of human behavior -- and a good thing. One of the main teachings of Theosophy is the ossifying of a groups's teachings as the years go by. This natural procress of splintering brings new life to Theosophical ideas, and helps to spread them around.

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Regarding the danger of Jesuits taking over Theosophical groups: No doubt they would like to, but I am quite sure it will never happen. You have nothing to worry about.

Perhaps a little Theosophical history is in order. Blavatsky was quite vehement in her condemnation of the Christian leaders of her day. (Whether or not her condemnation of them was justified is another topic.) They counter-attacked, and it was quite a mess.

Remember, we are talking about events in the late 1800's. Today, in the 21st century, things are quite different. Such condemnations and counter-attacks between Theosophical and Christian leaders just do not happen any more. That ended a long time ago.

As a matter of fact, it is fascinating to compare the religious atmosphere of America, then and now. What a difference! Theosophy takes credit for popularizing ideas such as reincarnation and karma in the West. Blavatsky started the whole New Age movement, way back then. We owe her a great debt.

To all readers


My views are:

The below answer was written out of compassion to the theosophical cause.
What people understand from the written words, and the spiritual impact these words have are of importance, as well as how they relate to these same words.


Nick the Pilot:

My Sufilight answer and questions:
Sorry if my voice sounds like Blavatsky's letter to Mr. Harte, but I have to state and ask the following. Sure, I agree it is good what you say about various theosophical groups being around, provided that the various autonomous Theosophical/theosophical groups are not being run by pseudo-theosophists, sorcerers or half-Jesuits which dabble with psychism instead of Atma-Vidya. And I wonder about the present state of affairs, when reading the so-called Theosophical magazines these days.

Where is the real new life in such an activity you talk about, except than merely other kinds of intellectual or pseudo-spiritual activities?
IS there really anyone today who have any real contact with the Masters?
How can any Theosophical leaders call themselves real Chelas, when they do not have contact with the Masters or are showing it to be true?

Nick the Pilot:

My Sufilight answer and questions:
What makes you so very much sure about that this event the ”Jesuits taking over Theosophical groups ” will not happen?
How can you say, that I have NOTHING to worry about? Are you saying that I aught to join the Jesuits or the Christian Coalition in USA, because they have turned themselves into decent theosophists?


Nick the Pilot:

My Sufilight answer and questions:
Was she ”vehement”? And was she really ”condemming” the Christian leaders?
Please explain, why I, Blavatsky and the Masters should agree with you about such a view.

What kind of difference during the last 125 years made, according to you, this change in communication so very important?
I suggest, that you contemplate, whether you are sure, that this kind of communication you talk about didn't end, because the theosophist turned ignorant when Blavatsky left her physical life on this planet and were no more there to guide the theosophists as the agent between them and the Masters?



Nick the Pilot:

My Sufilight answer and questions:
Sure good old America is important to you. When I read your answer I almost got the feeling, that you recently had been to a meeting at The Christian Coalition of America, but then I changed my mind and got another idea.


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A flourishing Society
Did you hear the joke about the Goddess in Heaven who was creating a wonderful world of peace and love when She noticed the Devil/Evil One rubbing hands gleefully together. She ask: 'why are you doing that?' and the answer was 'I am already planning how I will ORGANIZE it'



M. Sufilight with peace and love...

You may not have contact with the Masters, but you may have contact with your own Higher Self. As you reach toward your Higher Self, It rejoices and reaches down to you. The Antaskarana is the battleground for your soul. The Jesuits are your own lower self.

"Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, But considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
—Matthew vii, 3.

We may worry about the sad state of our Societies, or the threat of the evil Jesuits, but it is far more important to worry about our own house. When our own house is in order (or at least in better shape than it has been), then we can set the example for others around us, within our Society and not. We can let the Light shine forth. In that way we can effect change. We can influence those in our Society to debate instead of argue and point fingers. We can ward off the influences of those who would have us divide and fall, or remain in ignorance.

Theosophist is who Theosophy does.

Now, I'm not disavowing the Societies - in fact I'm going to the lecture over in Wheaton tonight. But the Society is and will be what You make it.

Khidr7,

You are worried Theosophical groups are possibly being run by sorcerers or half-Jesuits. I am not. You may continue to pursue this topic. I choose to pursue others.

It is like Jon K said -- Theosophy is what you make it.

Ok I am going to give you my oppions and impressions on what Khidr7 is trying to say.
I know where he is comming from.

The Jesuits are deadly and nofriend to Human kind. They are excellent Infiltrators and can penetrate any orgainization. So no organization is immune from any attack by this group trained in the art of infiltration. But as individuals you have to be constantly on guard. They are active everywhere. And are at the present causing some major headaches in our world. If you do your research on the Jesuits you will come to know everything about them. The Order was created after the Protestors or Protestants started moving away from the ruling Popes controling authority via the Martin Luther of the Reformation of Early Europe. The Protesants are the Jesuits number one enemy. The Jesuits through there controlling Jesuit General are excercising control through their various industrial military complexes. They are enemies of mankind.

They are working to bring us once again under the reign of the Pope and back into the Dark Ages. Yes through the inquistion they have burnt witches and people who are like we. But they in turn practice the Magick they learnt from these people after they murder them and to this day they are using this against us by those who are on the path of Black Magick HPB has spoken about. HPB understood very well who the Jesuits are as deadly and higly skilled infiltrators of our society. They the Jesuits will gain your confidence and when they have an opportunity will stab you in the back. And if you get in their way they will terminate you. The Previous Pope John Paul II by papal decree fired the previous Jesuit General and shut the order down but the Jesuits retailated via assasination and poisoning his health. Most of our Wars have been created by the jesuit order. They easily cloak themselfs by working through a pyramidical structure although they are not at the top of this pyramid but an unknown group or Entity is at the top of the apex that can not be identified even by those in the Highest leaderships in the secret orders they belong too.

This is the way I see it and are just my impressions since the truth can be hard to swallow but to see this World in the Raw is not very pleasant to my being but I have to accept what I see or perceive and it is not pretty. I guess it it part of that spiritual evolution we all have to take part in no matter how ugly the world looks to us.


Doug

Hi everybody!

I suppose there are two issues here.

1) The good/bad of the Jesuits.

2) The possibility of Jesuits taking over Theosophical organizations.

Regarding the first topic, quite frankly, as dreary and true as the topic may be, it is not something I am interested in discussing.

Regarding the second topic, I do not see this happening. Sure, there is always that possiblility, but I do not see much probability. It is not something I am worried about. If anyone sees signs of a takeover of a Theosophical organization, please feel free to share what you have seen.