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Title: Atlantis
Description: revision/update of Scott-Elliot's info


Ro-fhessa - March 20, 2006 05:46 AM (GMT)
This following theory of mine may seem a little at odds with the usual Theosophical conception of Atlantis but there is no reason why the 2 should be exclusive, it is feasible that they can be adapted/synthesised/assimilated/"telescoped". Scott-Elliot's evidence and my thesis both complement each other, the only change is that I think that Atlantis can not be the Atlantic inverted but rather must be one of the known continents.

Mythos Atlantis - Historia Pangaea

--Atlantis was a Continent not only an Island/City:

Plato said Atlantis was an ISland the size of/larger than Asia & Libya combined ("roughly same size as USA/Antarctica/[Australia/face of moon]", Flem-Ath.) Not a needle in haystack as Hancock put it. Theopompus said Meropis was larger than Europe, Asia and Libya. Herodotus said Europe was as long as Asia & Libya put together & its breadth (euros) is not even comparable with them (though in another place he also says Asia & Europe are the same size/shape). Atlantis totally disappeared without any trace (except "mud"). All of the details of the Atlantis account seem in general agree with Atlantis being a continent not an "island/city (+ empire)". Americas could qualify geopolitically (Haushofer/Mackinder). Ancient writer mentions tradition of 7 islands and a larger one that ruled over them in the Atlantic. Island in Bible, ancient Egypt, etc can mean either island, coastland/sealands, continent.

--Atlantis was in Ocean not Sea:

Plato says Atlantis was in real/true outer/open ocean not in inner sea. Was opposite/beyond Pillars of Hercules. (The S (& W) hemisphere has majority/emphasises unity of the oceans.) The biblical Great Sea and Egyptian Great Green may have been Atlantic incld Mediterranean ("Great Green poss suggests existence of another different coloured, smaller sea.")

--Atlantis must be one of modern Continents not Oceans:

Present oceanographic/geophysical evidence is that there are no sunken/submerged continents/land-masses in the Atlantic, Indian*, Arctic, Antarctic, and/or Pacific* oceans except for the true continental edges, shelves, islands and seas, and except for continental shift. (Seemingly no evidence that the continents ever wholly/permanently below sea level?) Maps that use true continental edges don't show significantly large enough gaps in the Atlantic between Eur/Afr and Amers when orig joint together to fit Atlantis into (excepting lakes, ridges, islands, sub-continents/plates). All evidence of lost continents is more readily explained by continental drift theory. According to Ockams razor there is no need to assume the existence of any more continents than the 7 we presently know of. (All the oceans are from one original Pan-Ocean/part of one Oceanus.) Old World traditions of Atlantis/etc in west and New World traditions of [Mu]/etc in east could be respectively/relatively refering to each other, or commonly to land in between (Armorica plate).

--Atlantis was America(s) or Armorica Plate not Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, "8th Continent/Atlantis":

Antarctica is 2 islands not continent (depend on sea level). Plato treated Atlantis as a separate land-mass from Eur & As/As & Lib/Lib & Eur. Atlantis can't have been too far/close distance/duration incl "up/down" from Greece/Egypt (Incendium). Atlantis was in western sea/opposite Pillars of Hercules. Atlanteans conquered upto Tyrrhennia & Libya from (N)W. Atlantis can not be dry land based theories. No mention in account of crossing equator. No archaelogical finds of humans/civilisation in Antarctica yet. No hints on Piri Reis map of civ/humans/Atlantis in Antarctica. "Atlantis has been identified/connected with every continent except Australia" except for by one writer. Some of "Atlantis" locations not too far from Old World to be lost/not to be found. N (&E) hemisphere has majority/emphasises unity of continents (re Atlantis). Bimini wall & pyramid in Caribean. Cp Mystery Hill complex with Stonehenge/Hyperborea. North Pole was once in Canada/Greenland re Hyperborea/Sea Peoples/Keftiou. Americas had all animals implied in Atlantis account incl elephants/mastodons, camels, horses, sabre tooth tigers, sloths. Alleghenies/Appalachians could have been Atlas/Nthern Pillar. Scientists theorise Amerinds came via Berring but almost exclusively all Indians own oral memories say they came from east over sea. First Americans were like Cro-Magnons in Europe (Otamid/Folsom/Big Game Hunters/MacKenzie High Arctic high culture, cp Archaic Caucasoids, cp Kennewick man); and Cro-Magnons were (flat faced?) like Amerinds. My theory explains Archaic Maritime culture in ancient America, ref Barry Fell. (Egyptian pictures of some Sea Peoples look American to me?) Assyrian pictures of Tjekker sea peoples bearing South American fan palm, ref Fitzgerald-Lee. <Manoa>

--Atlantis was in Atlantic not in Indian, Pacific, Arctic, Antarctic, Oceanus:

Herodotus called Atlantic before Plato (though after Solon). Evidence is that there are no sunken/submerged continental island masses in Atlantic (Hancock), Indian (Jantsang)*, Arctic (submarines), Antarctic (geophysics) and/or Pacific (orthodox scientists)* oceans. Atlantis can't have been too far/close (incl "up/down" re Antarctica) from Greece/Egypt (Incendium). Lemuria unlike Atlantis/Mu was only a theory for oddities now better explained by Gondwanaland. S (&W) hemisphere has majority/emphasises unity of oceans re Atlantic/Poseidon/Oceanus. *except for HS Lewis' vague Indian ocean claim. *except for Gilroy's evidence of submerged shelf/bridge, and except for CSF/ICR/AIG's evidence of seamounts and of seafloor sediments which still has to be expalined. <Cook, Jeans>

--Atlantis was in the west (and north) not east (and south):

Atlanteans conquered upto Tyrrhenia & Libya from (N)W. Atlantis is always said to be in western sea. Cp Hesperides. Spanuth gives evidence that Atlantis was in the north (Hyperborea, Sea Peoples). Despite the ancient records of reversal of compass points a couple of times in history, the Egyptians/Arabs were the only odd ones out in (sometimes) placing south as up/reverse west-east (Deyo/Flem-Ath/Massey)? Atlantis can't have been too far/close incl "up/down" from/to Greece/Egypt (Incendium). Hyperborea/Tartarus in NW or NE. Cp Thule. The Aryan Barbarians always came from the north (Greek, Indian, Iranian, Egyptian, Sumerian, Polynesian, Aztec, biblical.) W hemisphere majority of oceans (vs E hem.) N hem majority of continents. <Necho.> <Urani.> <west/south hemi underworld/heaven? steps.>

--Atlantis sinking/submergence can not have been (just) Great Flood, submerged by rising sea levels at end ice age, tidal wave/slosh, earth crust displacement, volcanic eruption or literally sunk, but rather Atlantis (continentally) shifted away:

Only Atlantis (and Athens) lost not whole world re flood/rising sea levels/crust displacement. Must have both quake(s) and flood(s) re flood*/ris sea levs. Would not have made distance/duration that much longer for ancients not to be able to find Atlantis any longer re ris sea levs. Atlantis totally disappeared (locally/regionally) without any trace (except "mud") re ris sea levs/tid wav/volc erupt/lit sunk/displac. The land would still be not absolutely lost but still possible to find down below underwater re ris sea levs/lit sunk. Account says sunk not sea level rise. Atlantis was already separate island mass but in bible continents didn't split til Peleg/Babel/Flood re flood. No rain/fountains great deep in Atlantis account. Evidence is that there are no sunken/submerged continental island masses in Atlantic (Hancock), Indian (Jantsang), Arctic (sumarines), Antarctic (geophysics), Pacific (orthodox scientists). Dates Atlantis and end last Ice Age only coincidence (see below). No large enough gaps between Americas and Old World when they were joint together to fit Atlantis into. Evidence for old sunken/submerged continents theories more readily explained by continental shift. Cp sink >11km or 1km submerged true cont shelf to shift ca 2000km. If sea levels were lower Gibraltar straits would be land. Mid-Atlantic is emerging up/out not down/in.

--Evidences of sudden continental shift(s)/sprint(s) not (just) drifting:

Sudden shift not so hard to imagine if you picture that as earth spins America(s) could have lagged/dragged behind. Charles Hapgood is/gives evidence of shifts. Mid-Atlantic ridge (or bank/rise) looks as if it could be phantom/ghostly remnant/vestige of where continental edge once was (cp beach sand & inland continental type seals mid-Atl ridge) (or interior of Armorica?) Near pass-by of celestial body could have exerted pull influence. Sudden continental shift would have caused sea/lakes to slosh over land as testified by Hopi myth, bible, sea salt petrified mastodon bones near Bogota, whale bones in USA, muddy sea, Tiahuanaco flood. Sudden shift could have triggered volcanic eruptions cp Thera, iridium, tachylite/cinder/ash mid-Atl ridge, tektites. Atlantis on same faultline as Athens (globally/regionally not locally/regionally). Kirchir's spurious/dubious map seems to show N or S America closer to Old World than S or N America. (Americas perhaps closer to Old World in Piri Reis map?) Old World traditions of Atlantis/etc in west and New World traditions of Tulan/[Mu]/etc in east could be respectively/relatively refering to each other being closer together, &/or commonly to same land in between (Armorica plate). Cp catastrophic turning inside out of Venus. Seeming ancient oral memories of Pangaea/continental shifts (Peleg/Thoth, Atlantis, etc)? Shift would cause earthquakes cp Atlantis/Athens, Easter I, Nazca, Stonehenge damaged from [sw], Minoan, collapsed/bent pyramid. Shift would have caused tidal waves cp Ur/Kish flood strata. Cont shift would have wrinckled/crested up mountain ranges cp Rockies/Cascade/Coast/Cordillera, Andes, Grt Div Rge, Himalayas, mid-Atlantic ridge. Evidence from Andes that shift happened contemp with humans/civ incls Tiahuanaco, nets/pottery/stone implements/cloth in strata/cross-bedding, staircase. Sudden shift would have caused warmer (or cooler re ice shift) oceans cp seafloor sediments. These catastrophies would have caused sudden mass extinctions of prehistoric megafauna cp mass graves in Siberia, Gobi, [Alaska], [Mexico/Texas]. Sudden continental shift would explain migration patterns of birds/lemmings/eels/butterflies, which are exactly the same as ancient ships going out to look for Atlantis where it once was in vain. (Scenarios: Amer(s) shifted west, Old World shifted east, Amer(s) & Old World both shifted outwards; Armorica (east Amer) shifted west, Armorica (West Eur) shifted east, Armorica shifted half west and half east.) Islands of Zeus/Silver Age, Poseidonis and Hades are divisions of Saturnia/Golden Age, both Posied & Saturnia (remnant/overlap/lag, cp Cronian sea) are seemingly used for Atlantis. Scientists theorise Amerinds came via Berring but almost exclusively all Indians own oral memories say they came from east over sea. First Americans were like Cro-Magnons in Europe (Otamid/Folsom/Big Game Hunters/MacKenzie High Arctic high culture, cp Archaic Caucasoids, cp Kennewick man), and Cro-Magnons were (flat faced?) like Amerinds. My theory explains Archaic Maritime culture in ancient America, ref Barry Fell. (Egyptian pictures of some Sea Peoples look American to me?) Assyrian pictures of Tjekker sea peoples bearing South American fan palm, ref Fitzgerald-Lee. How animals got from ark to Americas (landbridges depends on climate naturally suiting animals of diff latitudes.) <isl of th gods tiamat/omoroka/>

--whole world/global not old world/known world/inhabited world/inner sea/Asia-Africa/local/flat :

Herodotus said his contempoaries were wrong that the world consisted of (only) Europe, Asia and Libya. Popul Vuh says first race of men "examined 4 pts of horizon & round surface/circles of the earth & the 4 pts of the firmament/heaven." Maps such as Piri Reis (Hapgood), Kirchir, Ptolemy (Sitchin). Finds of ancient ships &/or drawings of (cp Heyerdahl). Satan wandered to & fro, up & down in [all] the earth. Pyramidology geographical facts about Great Pyramid. Plato said Atlantis was larger than Libya & Asia combined, and treated it (& opposite continent) as separate landmass from Libya & Asia/Asia & Europe/Europe & Libya. Herodotus' statement that oceans/seas all parts of one Ocean and Plato's disting between real/true outer ocean and inner seas/indentations ("theory") parallels modern geopolitical worldview. Poseidonis was remnant (picture overlap/lag) of Saturnia/Golden Age (cp Cronian sea), both names are seemingly used for Atlantis. Proofs of links between ancient/prehistoric Americas and Old World (above, refs Heyerdahl, Honore, N Davies, B Fell, Scott-Elliot). <Seneca; nagus karshvars Erato, Hipparch, Homer, Hindu, Hebrew hemispheres deviceCeltcross latit/along>

--Atlantis was real not myth/theory/lie/unscientific:

Plato said was Atlantis was true history, Plato was the one who elsewhere 1st used mythology in sense of fictional and legend as true. Every year there are more discoveries that the Atlantis account, Bible, oral memories, ancient historians/poets, myths are historically/scientifically correct.

--Refs: J Spanuth, G Hancock, HS Bellamy, S de C(h)amp/R Ley, [Tantalis book], I Donnelly, E Sykes, E Zangger, C Berlitz, Mavor, D Fasold, Chadderton, C Cook/Pears, Scott-Elliot; [Acknowls: S Deyo, Prof Santos, E Cayce, KR Bolton, AA Incendium, Flem-Ath, Plato.]




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