Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Dear Group Members,

I want to share an article with you. This is about the link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues. The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.

Thank you,
Sushil Yadav

[ My background is given in the first letter ( letter No. 1 ) under the
topic " Correspondence with neuroscientists " on the website :
www.netshooter.com/emotion ]

Please note : The article has been written in short sentences rather than paragraph-form because it is about subjective experience / emotion/ reduction of thought.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.

Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.
Subject : Environment can never be saved as long as cities exist.


Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.



When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.

There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.

People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.

Emotion ends.

Man becomes machine.



A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.


FAST VISUALS /WORDS MAKE SLOW EMOTIONS EXTINCT.

SCIENTIFIC /INDUSTRIAL /FINANCIAL THINKING DESTROYS EMOTIONAL CIRCUITS.

A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY CANNOT FEEL PAIN / REMORSE / EMPATHY.

A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS BE CRUEL TO ANIMALS/ TREES/ AIR/ WATER/ LAND AND TO ITSELF.



I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.

There is a link between visual / verbal speed ( in perception, memory,
imagery ) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.

Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).

The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
freezing (of visuals and words ) required to intensify and sustain that
particular emotion.


Experiment:

Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles )
will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the
following:-

(1) Human suffering.
(2) Animal suffering.
(3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.

Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling of pain/ grief for the sufferer.

The chemical changes associated with the emotion in the body(blood) would be measured by appropriate methods.

The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
(1) 125% of actual speed.
(2) Actual/real speed.
(3) 75% of actual speed.
(4) 50% of actual speed.
(5) 25% of actual speed.


Results :

(1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
(2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
of actual speed)

(3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.

(4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
(5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects -even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief. Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast).
All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.

[If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when weexperience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etc… ]


In the 2nd stage of experiment we shall replace the silent video film with a Narrator ( Audio only ) and repeat the procedure thereby establishing the link between intensity of emotion and verbal speed. The narrator will slow down verbal speed by-- speaking slowly, stretching words, repetition of words/ sentences & making use of
pause/ silence between words.

Please note:
(1) A THINKING MIND CANNOT INTENSIFY / SUSTAIN ANY EMOTION.
While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is
particularly true for all painful emotions.

(2) In a society in which visual ( verbal ) speed and breathing- rates
are fast , pain / remorse / empathy cannot be experienced. It is
impossible.


PROOF.
Proof of the link between pain and slow visuals / words :-

In the last century man has made thousands of movies / films on various
themes / subjects. Whenever pain / tragedy is shown in any film the
visuals ( scenes ) and words ( dialogues ) are always slowed down. In
many films tragedy is shown in slow motion. At the most intense moment
of pain the films almost become static / stationary.

Tragedy-films provide direct proof / evidence of the link between pain
and slowness.

Pain can intensify / sustain only when visual ( and verbal ) speed slows
down( stops/ freezes).


CHANGE IN VISUAL SPEED OVER THE YEARS

One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
moved himself to a new place or when other people ( animals / birds )
and objects ( clouds / water ) physically moved themselves before him.

Today man sits in front of TV / Computer and watches the rapidly
changing visuals / audio.

He sits in a vehicle ( car / train / bus ) and as it moves he watches
the rapidly changing visuals.

He turns the pages of a book / newspaper / magazine and sees many
visuals / text in a short span.


CHANGE IN VERBAL SPEED OVER THE YEARS

In ancient times verbal processing was “live” in nature—ie it happened when people actually spoke.
Today there is non-stop verbal processing inside the mind through print and electronic media ( newspapers, books, magazines, radio, television, computer etc…) as a result of which the verbal content & speed has increased thousands of times.


The speed of visuals ( and words ) has increased so much during the last
one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
focussing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.

If we cannot focus on slow visuals / words we cannot experience emotions
associated with slow visuals /words.



Before the advent of Industrial Revolution Man's thinking was primarily
limited to :

(a) visual processing ( slow visuals )
(b) verbal / language processing ( slow words )

Today there are many kinds of fast thinking :

(1) visual processing ( fast visuals )
(2) verbal / language processing ( fast words )
(3) Scientific / Technical thinking ( fast )
(4) Industrial thinking ( fast )
(5) Business thinking ( fast )

(3), (4) & (5) ARE ASSOCIATED WITH NUMBERS / SYMBOLS / EQUATIONS /
GRAPHS /CIRCUITS / DIAGRAMS / MONEY / ACCOUNTING etc…

As long as the mind is doing this kind of thinking it cannot feel any
emotion - not an iota of emotion.

In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
In a thinking ( scientific / industrial ) society emotion itself becomes extinct.

EMOTION IS WHAT REMAINS IN THE MIND WHEN VISUAL /VERBAL PROCESSING SLOWS DOWN (STOPS/ FREEZES )



There are certain categories of people who feel more emotion (subjective experience ) than others.

If we attempt to understand why (and how ) they feel more emotion we can learn a lot about emotion.

Writers, poets, actors, painters ( and other artists )

WRITERS
Writers do verbal ( and associated visual) processing whole day- every day.
They do slow verbal ( and associated visual) processing every day.
(A novel that we read in 2 hours might have taken 2 years to write. This is also the reason why the reader can never feel the intensity & duration of emotion experienced by the writer )

POETS
Poets do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day.
There is more emotion in poetry than in prose.
This happens because there are very few words ( and associated visuals ) in poetry than in any other kind of writing.
There is a very high degree of freezing / slowing down of visuals & words in poetry.

ACTORS
Actors do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. During shooting / rehearsal they repeat the dialogues ( words ) again and again ( the associated visuals / scenes also get repeated along with the dialogues )

PAINTERS
Painters do visual ( and associated verbal ) processing whole day- every day.
They do extremely slow visual processing - The visual on the canvas changes only when the painter adds to what already exists on the canvas.


There are some important points to be noted :

All these people do visual & verbal processing - whole day - every day.
They do slow visual & verbal processing.
They do not do scientific / industrial / business processing whole day - every day.

Most of the city people doing mental work either do this kind of mental processing which is associated with NUMBERS / SYMBOLS/ Equations / Graphs / CIRCUITS / DIAGRAMS / MONEY / ACCOUNTING etc… or they do fast visual ( verbal ) processing whole day - every day.

This kind of thinking ( processing ) has come into existence only during the last 200 years and has destroyed our emotional ability ( circuits ).




SELF-ASSESSMENT OF ( SUBJECTIVE ) INTENSITY OF EMOTION IS ALMOST ALWAYS WRONG.

Suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of a particular emotion that
can be experienced by any human being is 100 units.

Let us suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of that particular emotion ever
experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :
A - 100units
B - 20 units

Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions ( or
outside the laboratory ) and the intensity &duration they actually experience is
:

A - 90 units
B - 18 units

If A & B are then asked to indicate the intensity &duration of emotion on a scale
of 0 -10 their response is likely to be ;

A - 9
B - 9

Who is right and who is wrong ?
A is right.
B is wrong - B is wrong by a wide margin - B has experienced an
intensity(and duration) of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct /
actual score should be 1.8

Self- assessment ( self rating ) can be accurate only if people have
the capacity to experience the highest intensity &duration ( units ) of the
particular emotion under study.



Because of physical work and slow visual/verbal processing in small(slow)agriculture based societies of the past, the mind used to experience a state of emotion all the time. If we read one thousand-year-old literature we will not come across the term "boredom" -the concept of boredom did not exist in slow societies. There were long gaps between different visuals and between words/ sentences -and people had the ability to experience/ tolerate the gaps -it was normal for them.

Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual / verbal processing slows down ( stops / freezes ). In an Industrial (thinking) society people experience very little emotion because of fast ( visual / verbal / scientific / industrial / business ) thinking

Suppose the maximum intensity and duration of a particular emotion ( for most people ) in a fast society has reduced to 5 units ( from 100 units that people used to experience in earlier /slower societies ).

If such people experience 4 units of emotion they will give themselves a
rating /score of 8 on a scale of 0-10 whereas their actual score should
be 0.4

IN A FAST SOCIETY SLOW EMOTIONS BECOME EXTINCT.



IQ Vs EQ

IQ always has an element of change in it – IQ is about trying to make/ discover/ invent something new all the time.
Change is an inherent feature of IQ.
IQ is also about thinking more in less time—it involves speeding up of mind. Someone who does more mathematics in less time is considered more intelligent in mathematics. IQ is about change and speed.

EQ is about sustainment of the same feeling/experience over a period of time. When we experience any higher-level emotion for 10 minutes we experience the same feeling( subjective experience) over and over again for 10 minutes.
The( same) feeling can sustain only if there is Repetition.
EQ involves Repetition—Constancy—Sameness.

IQ and EQ are contradictory.
IQ and EQ are opposites.
IQ and EQ are inversely proportional.



(1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
(2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
without destroying nature.
(3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
limited to searching for food for one time only.
(4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
years / a few hundred years.
(5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
(6) This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
(7) When man thinks he makes things.
(8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

(9) A thinking species destroys the planet.



Intelligence Is A Curse.

This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
[Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
[The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

[In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]



MENTAL WORK IS INJURIOUS TO THE MIND AND PLANET.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People work because they cannot stop working.

People cannot stop physical activity and mental activity (simultaneously) for even 2 minutes.

For most people it is a choice between physical and mental work.
The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he
began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products--
a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).


The nature of mental work is such that man has to do new mental work every day- in fact he has to do new mental work every moment- Man cannot repeat in the next moment the mental work that he has already done in the previous moment.


A mathematician cannot solve the same problem of mathematics every day- once he has solved it he will be forced to take up a new( unsolved) problem. Even when he is solving one particular problem he has to move from one step to another - there is a continuous change involved -- there is no constancy at any stage.

An engineer cannot design the same machine again and again –once he has made a machine he will try to make changes/ design a new one.

A writer cannot write the same article every day- he will be forced to write something new every day/ every moment (This is also the reason behind endless discussions/ debates/ arguments).




Discussions, Debates and Arguments.

Let us examine how much discussion we are collectively having in Industrial Society every day.

Millions of pages in print – newspapers / books / magazines.
Millions of web-pages on internet every day.

Now add to this all the conversation (discussion) we are having through radio / television / telephone and several other media every day.

And add to this all the discussion we are having through face-to-face interaction.

The volume of discussion per individual in one week is greater than the total discussion someone living in pre-industrial society would have in his entire life.

There is too much discussion in modern society.
Discussion is not solving our problems – discussion itself has become a problem – a gigantic problem.


A society that does mental work will discuss itself to destruction [extinction]

A society that does mental work will argue itself to destruction [extinction]

A society that does mental work will debate itself to destruction [extinction]


A society that does mental work can never stop discussions / debates / arguments – it is impossible. It will discuss / debate / argue till the last moment of it’s existence.


Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are creations of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.

Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are diseases of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.


Discussions / debates / arguments can end only in agriculture-based societies that do physical work.

We cannot do physical-work and mental-work simultaneously.

There is an inverse relationship between physical-work and mental-work.
If one is high [more] the other has got to be low [less]

If we want to do physical work we have to reduce mental activity by the same proportion.
If we want to do mental work we have to reduce physical activity by the same proportion.

There is very little discussion / debate / argument in societies that do physical work - ie, agriculture-based societies - And this is the reason why they are millions of times saner than industrial societies.




Change is an inherent feature of mental work.

Since change is an inherent feature of mental work - a society that does mental work can never be at peace with itself – it is impossible.

A society that does mental work will always be restless.

Only those societies that do physical work [agriculture and related activities] can find contentment and peace.



AS LONG AS CITIES EXIST WE CAN NEITHER SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT NOR THE MIND.

To save the [ remaining ] environment from destruction man will have to
return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].



Criminality and Abnormality.

Industrial Society has collectively killed billions of Animals and Trees [ Remember -plant and animal species developed over a period of millions ofyears]

It has also killed most of Water and Air [ Please note - polluting Water and Air is equivalent to killing Water and Air ]

The soil was not fertile when the earth was created. It became fertile - very slowly - over a period of millions of years. And look what man has done - He has covered millions and millions of hectares of land with cement and concrete. All the land that has been covered with cement and concrete has been killed.


Man has stockpiled thousands of tonnes of highly radioactive nuclear material and nuclear waste which is going to remain highly radioactive and carcinogenic for the next thousands of years - and which has already leaked into the environment hundreds of times.


What could be more criminal than this.
What could be more abnormal than this.


Lawyers and Judges are trying to catch a few criminals.
They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal.
They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.




Industrial Society is collectively making millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives [of all kinds] every year – and then it wonders why there is so much violence in this world.

Big Mystery.

If you make millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives on earth they are going to be used on earth – they are not going to be used on Mars.




Make things
Buy things
Sell things

This is not the purpose of life.

Destroy Shopping Culture.

No one deserves more.
Everyone deserves less.




There was a time when Man knew nothing about the number of species and millions of species existed.
Today Man knows the names of millions of species and nothing is left of the species.



It took millions of years for millions of species to slowly come into existence on earth - and man has decimated all other species.

After destroying millions of highly-developed species on earth Man is today searching for a few molecules of life in outer-space.

If a few microbes, a few molecules of methane / water are found on Mars - it becomes the newspaper headline.

They call it progress.



The following is about to come true.

Nature can exist

(1) before man.
(2) after man.
(3) not with man.


Environment can be saved only if we stop production of most [ more than
99% ] of the consumer goods we are making today.

ENVIRONMENT CANNOT BE SAVED BY RECYCLING

THE ATTEMPT OF AN INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BY RECYCLING IS LIKE SHOOTING SOMEONE
10,000 TIMES AND THEN TRYING TO SAVE HIM BY TAKING OUT ONE BULLET.


Time is running out for this planet.


Yours Sincerely,
Sushil Yadav


Please note :
Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.



Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does'nt exist. It is almost zero.

Material things don't bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone - no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy. The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems - besides destroying the environment. Our Minds cannot be spiritual or peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be spiritual or peaceful if we destroy Nature.

Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth.



Think Positive.

Psychologists say -- Think Positive.
Politicians say – Think Positive.
Economists say – Think Positive.
Scientists say – Think Positive.
Everyone says – Think Positive.

Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up.
Think Positive.

Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
Think Positive.

Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
Think Positive.

There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
Think Positive.

Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
Think Positive.


Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.


This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.


Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.

They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.




There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.

We can never save the environment by doing something.

It is overactivity that has destroyed environment in the first place.

Human-species is the only one out of millions of species that has indulged in overactivity on this planet [ And for this very reason the human speciesis going to exist on earth for the least amount of time]

And it is not Mild Overactivity – It is Excessive Overactivity – Exponential Overactivity.

We cannot save the environment by doing something.

We can only save it by doing less of what we have been doing - much less of what we have been doing.

If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.



Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.

Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.

Progress = Destruction of Nature.
Development = Destruction of Nature.


We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
We cannot have Sustainable Development.

Development can never be sustainable.
Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.


Development and Sustainability are opposites.
Development and Sustainability are contradictory.

Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less – being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
Development is associated with never ending desires – always wanting more.


Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.


Development is associated with Change.
Development is associated with New.
Development is associated with Transience.


Industrial Societies can never be sustainable – When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.

Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.


The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

Stationary Walk.
Silent Talk.
Wakeful Sleep.
Dark Sun
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.




There was a time when Man used to say –

I work in order to feed my family.
I work in order to put Food on the Table.


Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.

Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, 200 TV Channels, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery …………… The list is endless.


Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
There is too much weight on the Table.
And the Table has begun to creak.


The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.

The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans - the Rivers and Lakes.



There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.

We need just a few things to live.
And we are making thousands of things.

Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.


Destroy Shopping Culture.

Go back to Simple Living.
Go back to putting just Food on the Table.


sushil_yadav

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Hi sushil_yadav

Your concerns are vary valid in our materialistic world. Athough what I discuss may not be Theosophical but that is open to debate but it is spiritual to me. Their are Dark Forces at work that has no love for humanity whatsoever and have sinister Ulterior motives for mankind the so called Black Magicians or Sorcerer's HPB and others warn us about as a forbidden path for a theosophist to take. I believe the so called Mahatmas were very aware of these Dark Forces at work in our world and in the present as well.

I acknowledge due to our materialistic ways we are slowly destroying ourselves and it will be perhaps ages upon ages that will pass before we all wake up and say enough is enough to this materialisitc world since we are only deceiving ourselfs. And maybe we will discover a better way to live until we all understand the enigma and mystery of Life itself.

Our food is being tampered with and causing great harm to our physical being. They put Flouride in our water which is a poison and has no medicinal value. This was done by people to pacify people such as they did at the Russian Gulag and I believe Nazi Germany used flouride in water as well. Our Skys are beiing polluted by so called chemtrails. You Know the NWO, the Illuminati crowd and the other ones who are very xenophobic and are hiding in the shadows. Most people in this world got their head buried in the sand but their is hope many are walking up.

Other then Theosophy I keep update to date on almost every important things going on not only in our government, environment and other things. But I keep an open mind on different subjects.

I spend a lot of time at this site:
http://www.warriormatrix.com/ which discuss something called orgone or orgonite based on Wilhelm Reich research a very big and silent movement of people accros the world getting involved in trying to change things. People of all walks of life come to speak about different things that concern them. I am a theosophist who wishs to see the truth no matter how ugly it gets but I know their is always hope. I post alot of Theosophic thoughts (AKA Sovereign) from my Heart. Most people read and most don't comment. Sometimes I think maybe my approach is wrong in explaining certain things but I am learning. Orgone well is materialistic but their something about it's use to restore harmony to nature. I don't always understand what orgone is I look at how it has an effect on Nature in general from other peoples testimony since some can see the energy mostly the Pyschics although I know these are primitive senses compared to the supperior spiritual faculties that will be developed in most of us over Aeons of time.

Lately I have been looking at Near Death Experience info which is very interesting it seems just about everybody has a different experience I thinks it is due to their state of Being at the time and interacting with the interpenetrating spheres which is confusing but at best is Ineffable since they are at a loss for words. Some see jesus , Hell and rude Beings but that does not validate as being the True Reality while others see Supreme Beings and loved ones. But in these NDE they come back to tell their story which I believe was real to them but probably not the true reality that we all will experiance some day. The researcher in this field such as doctors who made it a hobby of recording these peoples near death experiances but can't verify what they see that is the out of this world sights and sounds that are ineffable. But the interesting things is generally when these people are outside of their bodies such from the medical doctors standpoint they are brain dead and have reported incredible details in the physical world that is verifyable even though they were unconcious. It is laughable that the scientist say it is in your brain. They can even simulate NDE in a High G centrifuge for training pilots and astronauts usally they black out in High G. of course their Conciousness has to go somewhere and it survives when the phyiscal brain is shut down due to blood loss to the brain. Other then this the other cases of NDE are Heat stopage that is critical after 5 min you are then considered dead. So NDE's are very short in this respect.

The more interesting ones are the congenitaly blind people who are blind from birth who see details when they are out of the body and see those people around their body including their loved ones and come back from the experiance revealing incredible detail of which a blind person in the physical would have a hard time describing without his sight but generally their other sense such as hearing are more sensitive. All the physical out of body experiances of NDE's are verifyable in relating to our physical plane of existance. It just show that life goes on even without a body to live life through. Even when we sleep are consciousness has to go somewhere.

Doug

I am not sure how this can be. We are as much a part of "nature" as anything else, from a theosphical point of view. Of course, in my opinion. Frankly, wouldn not the entire solar system, the entire cosmos for that matter, be "nature?"

I wonder if changing the term to "environment" conveys the distinction desired, while still staying within the context of your Thread?

Everything that is more than necessary to man is hostile to him. -- Sectus the Pythagorean.

I actually have a bit of a problem accepting this quote. Is something I should think on a bit.

sushil_yadov writes:

Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.
~~~

This is an assertion you make in your post. For the sake of understanding with no interest at all in arguement, I would like some sort of evidence supporting the above assertion.

mensagitatm

I think it is good to look at the relationship between intellect and emotions. Theosophy says that these are two of the seven principles that make up each human being. A better understanding of the relationship of these two principles will help us better understand Theosophy.

When I think of intellect and emotions, I often think of something like jealousy. Jealousy is a horrible emotion, an emotion that is not enjoyed by the person feeling the jealousy, nor by the person to whom the jealousy is directed. Jealousy causes a great deal of trouble, and seems to have no benefit whatsover. But jealousy still happens, and it is something that all of us have had to deal with at one time or another.

I dare say, when we are feeling jealous, no amount of intellectualizing seems to help. We can try to rationalize it, ignore it, analyze it, understand it, but none of these things seem to help. Jealousy, just as with other emotions, is something many people just have to struggle with.

I would not say emotions are just 'gaps' between our moments of intellectualizing. The two are quite different, and can occur quite simultaneously. Indeed, for many of us, learning to deal with our emotions is a huge challenge. As a matter of fact, I feel that the inability to control our emotions is the single biggest cause of divorce in our society today.

Strange, with me it is often pride, which I feel can lead to delusion and attempts at making the self believe lie's. I never concern myself with jealousy and maybe I should do a quick review. I suppose things that a person denies himself can make him be deluded into believing that since this is the case, why should he feel jealousy. This self denial is a voluntary action, why should he feel jealous? This then, would result in repression. Suppression is not so severe as repression, in that the former is an action of reigning in an emotion in order to deal with it constructively. The latter is immediate and becomes habitual or automatic. Repression is immediately pushing an emotion from conscious awareness, but where does it go? None of us have a container inside our being with everlasting structural integrity. Something similar to a pressure release valve opens every now and then to let some form of expression or energy be released, which is most likely of a negative form. The only thing that I could be jealous of is something which I could still attain.

mensagitat

I was once told by a great religious teacher that we have to deal with all of our emotional garbage before we can achieve enlightenment. (That makes a lot of sense to me.)

You said,

"I never concern myself with jealousy and maybe I should do a quick review."

--> The sooner you deal with all of your emotional garbage, the better. Jealousy would be a good place to start.

If you might kindly inform me of what kind of thoughts, words and deeds indicate a need to address the issue of jealousy, I would be interested.

mensagitat,

The concept of jealousy is a hugely complicated topic. I have spent the last four months looking at jealousy from every possible angle. But jealousy really breaks down to one simple factor — being jealous comes from being needy.

Would you describe yourself as being needy?

Not for material things. I'm not rich but I have more than I need. The Buddhist has a term known as icy hell. To me it seems this term leads to another, known as hungry ghost. I think I'm needy in that I want to understand more than I do currently. I think most people have to put things out among others in the effort to pool knowledge.

What I find about jealousy is that it seems to mostly be associated with the word romance. In that case it is a non-sequitor if associated with me.

mensagitat

You said,

"It is kind of rediculous really, to think emotions guide my actions."

--> It sounds like you have never had a problem with jealousy. I am glad to hear that.

I agree, because the 5th plane has minds with emotional bodies; they are not necessarily separate. OTOH maybe they can be: HPB said consciousness principles could be separated, but it was in unclear/no context. I am an environmentalist, but neither a Luddite nor one very obsessed with machines. I think lifestyle (including consumerism) and religions that encourage overpopulation have more to do with environmental destruction than machines do: in fact they do nothing without being used. If there was not overpopulation as well as the forcing of ideologies that condone continual/increasing economic growth/expansion, the ideologies of which to support their use also push overpopulation, the ideologies of which are generally inherent in religions that encourage overpopulation, there would be no excess industry.

Sushil Yadov, a couple of your links are gone.

Intelligence is not a curse; instinct is emotional intelligence and there are many higher (and some lower) intelligences, and IQ & EQ are limited/unclear sophist 'psychology.' As a mathematician, I consider mathematics to have much constancy, and so does certain writing and even engineering. Ancient Greek (and probably later and many earlier ones from India) Philosopher mathematicians tended to be quite spiritual, i.e. had good attitudes. Some Luddites (and it is said, some/many machine-obsessed people) think weapons are good against overpopulation, but that is unlawful and of course they are excess industry. I agree much must be improved, but note if one even does 'peaceful war,' they may face violence. Moreover, as Plato likely said and has usually been known to some people, one cannot necessarily end tyranny only with pacifist methods: fascists and authoritarian communists had to be overthrown. Gandhi suggested nonviolence, which may have worked in India partly because the UK was/is not tyranny and the occupiers were not all tyrannic... I do not know all the history... but governments all over the world are sometimes killing pacifist activists or doing lesser things that indicate those governments are tyrannies or becoming ones. This is all unfortunate but is a reason we incarnated. You cannot really get rid of machines: many animals make them and only plants do not, though I may be proven wrong because their bodies are mechanical and their consciousness use mechanics. Machines will continue to make problems easier and lead to new problems. Who knows how the environment will be in centuries - millenia?

10 things one can do:
* go pescatarian->vegetarian->vegan->natural hygienist with some cooked or, if possible, all raw food (rawism is not possible for everyone and not necessarily even best close to 100%, but at least similarly get little/no non-recyclable food containers. Each step decreases resource use and production and increases health and personal energy.)
* reduce/recycle/reuse everything (such as try to only produce hair or nails and floss as trash for a time. Some rawists (or near) say they need no floss, but I disbelieve)
* walk, bike, or skate rather than use autos (besides public transport,) at least not poor MPG ones, and avoid gas from the oil companies who have killed people (currently 2 companies and at least 1 other involved with a company that has killed.)
* use less electricity like try to be awake when it is light (the one thing on this list I must usually do more) and listen to little/no electricity-dependant music and watch little/no such film/tv and put solar panels on your building (in USA before the tax credit runs out.)
* plant trees and other plants such as a garden; save trees and your mind by buying little/no pop. culture art/fiction, etc.
* support [rain]forest or natural products other than lumber, including these 3:
* fair trade and organic food and clothing, etc., esp.:
* preferably food in cloth bags or no container, from a co-op or worker-owned store
* hemp, etc. (cotton is a most environmentally destructive crop) and mostly/all non-bleached/dyed clothing (because who even needs to make and waste chemicals and shouldn't Theosophists often wear white--or natural colours for pagan ones?)
* write to officials, journals, etc.; vote against authoritarian politicians since they want excess economic growth for states to support them or their ideology; maybe risk doing peacable assembly--not everyone else there may be peacable, especially some police/military

David,

You said,

"If there was not overpopulation ...."

--> It is a double-edged sword. One Theosophical wrtier went so far as to say there are billions and billions of Monads trying to incarnate on Earth simultaneously. Our job is to help them incarnate. On the other hand, if we overpopulate, doesn't that ruin the quality of incarnating for everyone?

"Gandhi suggested nonviolence, which may have worked in India partly because the UK was/is not tyranny and the occupiers were not all tyrannic... "

--> I have to wonder if Gandhi and his followers used nonviolence because it was the only weapon they had. Sticks and stones are not very useful against rifles and tanks. Nonviolence is.

Ghandi once said that he studied Theosophy and that it had a beneficient impact on his life.

I read Sushil Yadov's post once more and it was very logical, and logic is higher than intellect. The latter is mostly memory and arriving at a destination by what is known. Logic requires the ability to observe that A does this, and B does that, therefore we arrive at C. Intuition is higher than both, but when I use intuition it seems like I am bouncing around probabilities.

Some say that when we are required to act quickly, that intuition is the best path. If I'm correct that intuition is more often than not, 'bouncing around probabilities', then it might be beneficial to be familiar with as many probabilities as possible within our ecosystem of motion and force.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? was thought the very first event? can this thought be labelled as force? then did this force collide with substance, possibly in the form of a sound? next is spiritual substance in motion. E-motion... can it be referred to as a high frequency when associated with fast emotions, and low frequency when associated with slow emotions? or rather, high frequency when associated with exalted subjectivity and low frequency when associated with selfish desires?

Within Nature, I don't think anything is ever about reward and retribution. It is probably about keeping the nutation to a minimum as we evolve our mind of desire. If a person is experiencing what appears to be rewards in life, if it was not acquired through selfishly stepping on others, or ignoring the suffering of others, then there is probably the example of an equitable individual.

Look what happens to cultures who remain agrarian and tribal when a commerce driven industry based society comes along. Although I'm not quite sure about the Monguls being industrial, they simply possessed fast horses. It is all about human selfishness. Maybe we will see it diminish globally or maybe Earth will simply shrug us off her shoulders. We should teach youth sympathy, compassion and empathy and to possess a will that has the right discernment in regard to entering the karma of another. We are magnets and are drawn to opposites and merge with similarities. Is that last sentence a paradox?